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Old 04-06-2014, 04:10 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Ziggler needs to:

1. Grow some backbone in ring. Stop bumping like a fish out of water for EVERY DAMN MOVE.
2. Calm himself on the mic and control his cadence and tone.
3. Add some better offense to his moveset.

He's the perfect upper midcard guy, the "gateway" to the main event if you will.
Ziggler can be a more credible upper midcarder if WWE books him less of a jobber. He needs some more wins, but not too many.
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Old 04-06-2014, 05:03 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I also wanted to add, there's this stigmata where "if you don't want to main event Wrestlemania, you shouldnt be wrestling" which is downright silly. Obviously the vast majority of the roster will never main event... for some reason, despite wrestling being a work, some feel that if you aren't winning most of your matches, you are doing something wrong, this especially seems to be the case for Ziggler. The irony is that if he stopped focusing on selling comically, maybe his situation here would improve. Either way, there's nothing wrong with being a midcarder, which is where Ziggler is at and what he's good at doing.
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I like how people in this threads solution is to essentially be generic.

"stop bumping so well man!" if he stopped bumping right now, with the way his push has vanished, he'd be removed from the card altogether.
"he just needs to improve on the mic" that's all well and good, but 90% of the reason people are good on the mic is familiarity in front of a crowd, how the fuck is he supposed to get that when he gets no mic time? think guys.

He's got everything that Bryans got, hell, about 18 months ago, i'd have said overall he was a better package than Bryan, difference is, Bryan got a way to get himself consistent screen and talking time, then improved, got over and is main eventing Wrestlemania in a few hours time. I'm really happy for him before anyone calls me bitter, ftr.
If the creative team could get off their fucking arses and actually give midcarders things to do besides trading wins with eachother in 4 minute matches every other week, we wouldn't need to complain about this shit.
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I like how people in this threads solution is to essentially be generic.

"stop bumping so well man!" if he stopped bumping right now, with the way his push has vanished, he'd be removed from the card altogether.
"he just needs to improve on the mic" that's all well and good, but 90% of the reason people are good on the mic is familiarity in front of a crowd, how the fuck is he supposed to get that when he gets no mic time? think guys.

He's got everything that Bryans got, hell, about 18 months ago, i'd have said overall he was a better package than Bryan, difference is, Bryan got a way to get himself consistent screen and talking time, then improved, got over and is main eventing Wrestlemania in a few hours time. I'm really happy for him before anyone calls me bitter, ftr.
If the creative team could get off their fucking arses and actually give midcarders things to do besides trading wins with eachother in 4 minute matches every other week, we wouldn't need to complain about this shit.
I think when people say "stop bumping so well", that's usually because guys that can't talk and don't really stand out, but can sell like crazy, are typically given jobber roles. That's what happened with Ziggler, that's why he's in the role he's in. He's gotta try to get over based on other things.

The guy has gotten mic time, they just aren't going to *always* give it to him and hope he eventually gets good at it. He had lots of mic time in the Cena feud and when he had the Survivor Series team in particular, plus they let him cut promo's on that main event show or whatever it's called. Lately all he does is break kayfabe whenever he speaks... why would they let him do that on one of the main shows?

As for him having everything Bryan's got, I don't really think so lol. Bryan's got way more interesting submissions, can do some high flying moves, Bryan's got a catch phrase, Bryan in my opinion has way more charisma...
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I think when people say "stop bumping so well", that's usually because guys that can't talk and don't really stand out, but can sell like crazy, are typically given jobber roles. That's what happened with Ziggler, that's why he's in the role he's in. He's gotta try to get over based on other things.

The guy has gotten mic time, they just aren't going to *always* give it to him and hope he eventually gets good at it. He had lots of mic time in the Cena feud and when he had the Survivor Series team in particular, plus they let him cut promo's on that main event show or whatever it's called. Lately all he does is break kayfabe whenever he speaks... why would they let him do that on one of the main shows?

As for him having everything Bryan's got, I don't really think so lol. Bryan's got way more interesting submissions, can do some high flying moves, Bryan's got a catch phrase, Bryan in my opinion has way more charisma...
More importantly, people like Dolph Ziggler. But people relate to Daniel Bryan.

I don't think the masses are too worried about a pretty boy with noticeable athleticism is going to be held down by WWE's typical booking standards. Where's the conflict?
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I think when people say "stop bumping so well", that's usually because guys that can't talk and don't really stand out, but can sell like crazy, are typically given jobber roles. That's what happened with Ziggler, that's why he's in the role he's in. He's gotta try to get over based on other things.

The guy has gotten mic time, they just aren't going to *always* give it to him and hope he eventually gets good at it. He had lots of mic time in the Cena feud and when he had the Survivor Series team in particular, plus they let him cut promo's on that main event show or whatever it's called. Lately all he does is break kayfabe whenever he speaks... why would they let him do that on one of the main shows?

As for him having everything Bryan's got, I don't really think so lol. Bryan's got way more interesting submissions, can do some high flying moves, Bryan's got a catch phrase, Bryan in my opinion has way more charisma...
I understand why people mention that he should stop selling the way he does, cos he makes an opponent look incredible and becomes and incredibly valuable commodity that doesn't need to be pushed. But if he stopped bumping right now? he'd be taken off the show completely. That's the only thing keeping him relevant at this point.

It's one thing to give him mic time, but in that department, he's essentially chastised. Only people he's worked the mic against are people like Punk and Cena, who make him look like a rookie. Dolph has this aura and charisma about him, the obvious reference to this is his sense of humour, he's extremely quick witted and clearly confident in this role, yet the only time I've ever seen him allowed to express this side of him that could EASILY get him over huge, was on NxT season 2. which about 34 people watched.

As for whether or not he's got all the skills Bryan does? he does. Bryans way more skilled in the ring, don't misunderstand me. But Bryans also probably the best in the world in the ring. The fact that Dolph has kept up with him on every occasion speaks volumes about his talent, but I can concede, Bryan is better. Dolphs got a catch phrase too, just doesn't have 15k people screaming it on RAW each week, Bryan was right place and right time and he took off in a huge way with that catchphrase, but it honestly could've been anyone.
At this point, i'll give you that Bryan has better mic skills. I'll agree to disagree on charisma, but you could be right in all honesty, Zigglers never been given the chance to really shine with the bright lights on and the volume turned up to 11; for all I know, Bryan could just be better even then.
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:58 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I didn't realize so much of the IWC had soured on DZ lol. oh well.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:10 AM   #58 (permalink)
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No thanks, the only thing he's good at is making other people look good.
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Well, he can twerk with funkadactyls heh.
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It's simple. The reason why Bryan got the push he did and Ziggler is still waiting for his is because Bryan's gimmick is catchy and is something that the crowd can easily participate in, while Ziggler's... well... not so much.
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