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Old 03-09-2013, 11:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This has nothing to do with pushing new guys etc, this is purely down to the fact they are punishing Orton, because of his attitude in the past and the fact he is on 2 strikes. Forget how good or bad we think he is, wwe dont think like the IC, of how good a wrester he is etc. In there eyes if he was a 'good boy' (like a john cena) there is no doubt in my mind he would be challenging for the big one by now. Lets face it he is one of the most popular wrester to the general casual fans, which wwe always pander to.

He has probably one of the most successful C.V in wrestling and it still fairly young, wwe wouldnt just drop him to do nothing for a reason just to push new guys, they are clearly pissed with him.
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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At the age of 31, Randy had already done it all. He was on his ninth world title reign and put over a veteran. He can't carry the company and he's accomplished whatever he has been able to. You can't blame him for being a little complacent.
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I use twitter as a barometer to judge the popularity of wrestlers. It should not be ignored that Randy Orton has the third most twitters followers in WWE at nearly 2 million (behind Rock and Cena). That tells me that he is a draw. WWE needs to turn Orton heel so he can reclaim his spot as the #1 heel in the WWE.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I use twitter as a barometer to judge the popularity of wrestlers. It should not be ignored that Randy Orton has the third most twitters followers in WWE at nearly 2 million (behind Rock and Cena). That tells me that he is a draw. WWE needs to turn Orton heel so he can reclaim his spot as the #1 heel in the WWE.
But if we went by Twitter followers, Zack Ryder would be in the main event and considered a 'draw'.

As for Orton, he's been so stale for so long now that it's hard to care about him. Hopefully he'll step it up and put the work in and get booked into better feuds. The match at Mania could be the time to finally turn him heel so we'll see where he goes from there.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:36 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I will agree he seems disinterested.

Seems being the key word. Because I and none of you know if he really is or not.

But certainly he is giving off that appearance. And if we notice it, Vince and others must as well.
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The two wellness strikes definitely have something to do with it, but I think WWE has finally begun to realize that Orton is not a needle mover. While he has a certain level of drawing power for live events, is a great asset to the upper section of the roster and has star power to his name, he has not proven to be the draw that would be expected of a guy who has been given the amount that he has. With 9 World Title reigns, a Royal Rumble win and a Wrestlemania main event (the 25th anniversary at that) to his name, he should be a draw on the level of John Cena. But he isn't. Despite alllll of that, he still isn't, and hasn't proven his worth in the main event spot.

On the surface, Orton is everything Vince believes a the prototypical main event superstar should be. Not only is he the only 3rd generation superstar of the modern era to successfully get over (besides Rock), but he has the look of a main eventer, has the crispness and fineness in the ring to carry big matches, has the catchy theme song that the fans instantly pop for and has the signature pose and "bad ass-ness" that make a WWE superstar larger than life.

But there's something that lacks. Despite everything Orton brings to the table, there is one thing that is missing. And that is the ability to sell feuds on the mic.

People who say Orton doesn't have charisma are dead wrong. He does have charisma - a different type of charisma than that of The Rock or John Cena - but there is definitely charisma there. I think those who say he doesn't have charisma are on to something though, they are just mislabeling the missing piece of the Orton puzzle. Orton doesn't lack charisma, but rather the ability to bring a believable and real element to his acting. He seems like a robot in his promos, because he simply re-sights the lines he is given by the writers. The top draws in WWE don't just regurgitate scripted lines; they hit key bullet points and get the idea and emotion across in their own special way. Orton lacks that, and it is the key piece to what has held him back from hitting that top TOP tier of draws in today's WWE.

With that glaring flaw to the Randy Orton enigma, there is still hope for him and that lies with him as a heel character. A darker, villain persona is able to mask Orton's inability to overreact in promos, and fits his demeanor. I've always been a firm believer that your best characters in pro wrestling are those that reflect the person in real life. It's no secret that Orton isn't the nicest of guys and definitely has a bad attitude. Portraying him in that way on WWE television would only benefit him and ultimately his programs that he works in. That edge would make him interesting to watch. But this is where I believe the two wellness strikes come in to play. They don't want to put even a fresh heel version of Orton into a major role, especially holding a World Title again because they don't know if he can be trusted.

With all of that said, if I were WWE, I would have taken one last chance with Orton in a major spot, and I actually would have done it for this year's Wrestlemania. This whole thing with Jack Swagger and Zeb Coulter has been interesting to say the least, but there have been some holes in it. Del Rio obviously has his problems in the whole feud selling the whole thing on the mic and over pandering to the Hispanic demographic, but the other glaring issue to the angle has been Swagger. You want to talk about a superstar who doesn't have any charisma, look no further than Jack Swagger. He lacks any sort of conviction or credibility, and Coulter has been carrying the angle 100%. But who on the current roster could have been a perfect fit for that role Swagger is playing? I believe Randy Orton would have been far better cast in this role and could have become a major heat magnet. A heel Orton who seemingly has problems with foreigners and illegal immigrants seems like a pretty accurate portrait of a guy that looks and acts like Orton. Orton just oozes the look of exactly someone who would be of the mindset of "if you don't look like me, and are different than me, I don't like you" and I think the whole angle could have given some very fresh legs to Orton's character and career.

Anyway, after that long response, I think it can be summed up by saying that Orton's brightest days are behind him and he will never again be put in the main event spotlight unless Vince had no choice. The wellness policy strikes against him are a major issue for the company as a publicly traded organization that has been very aliment about the health of their superstars. The best I can see for Orton at this point is to turn heel and be used as an enhancement talent for the younger, up and coming faces in the upper mid card.
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Default Re: Making More Out of Randy Orton's 2 Strikes?

The strikes doesnt help him, but the fall of Orton started before that. He got drafted to SD and they started to build the show around him. The golden boy was finally ready to step out of Cena's shadow, and be build as a solid nr 2. Giving him his own show, and positioning him as the man on SD to fill out Taker's spot. Christian working his butt off, to put him over..... And then the ratings came in. It was brutal. So bad that they had to put the title on first Mark Henry, and when he got hurt, DB. Meanwhile Sheamus got build up as the new nr 2.
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Better wrestlers that could be made into more believable top quality stars came along, Orton's already a legend of the business, he could quit now and safely be in the HoF within 10 years. Why the fuck WOULD you bother at that point? he was number 2 in the company, with it being clear he could never surpass Cena as #1. I'd have given up giving a shit aswell, essentially he's peaked.
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I'd have given up giving a shit aswell, essentially he's peaked.
If he's lost his smile, then he should get off my TV until he's ready to come back and do work. Like the last guy who had that problem did.
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