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Re: Xbox One/PS4 fanboy showdown to the DEATH!

[QUOTE=Hannibal Lector;21420705]Are you actually serious? Okay then lets start with the facts:
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- 100$/70 cheaper
not true anymore
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- Again, PSN+ is a cheaper subscription than Xbox Live by around 8/$10 on average for a year fee
Yep, but if its anything like last time it will suck and have no ends of problems becuse of how cheep it is, maybe they CAN do better since they do charge now, but I'm not holding my breath,


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- It is 40% smaller than the Xbox making it more versatile for room placement
a game boy is way more then 40% smallaer, at this size if you cant move either you have problems.
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- Sony has better high end critically acclaimed game exclusives, and MUCH more of them - http://uk.ign.com/blogs/bravo.4/2013...dated-3202013/
opinion with bieng "better" nothing on the ps3 beat Gears for me, of course gears went on to long but still.
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- The PS4 is easier to develop for, for many reasons including; Sony allows indie developers to self publish, whereas Microsoft does not - http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/04/sony-indies/
check again

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- The PS4 has factually better specs: About 300 more GPU cores, .6 more Terraflops, about 3000MHz more in system memory and over 100Gb/s more in System Memory Bandwidth
and most if not all of that is so manute you wont notcie a diffreint
more or less its like saying its a "split 2nd faster"

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- No extra charge for services like Netflix on the PS4 i.e. you don't require PSN+ to use services like Netflix, whereas with the Xbox, a Gold subscription is necessary to use these services
this comes back to 360 and ps3, 360? pay for it, not to many problems, ps3? free but always gettign hacked, turned off, not woking cause its free, you get what you pay for, you dont pay for it its not that good.,

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- Allows you to connect and cross play with a PSVita meaning you can continue to play games without requiring your PS4. Microsoft has no service like such.
but its greatly limited AND requires you to buy yet another thing, which had microsoft done something like that, you would have complained it was just a way to rake in money

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Everything above is factual, so I ask again, was your question meant to be taken seriously?
Becsue like four options, and info that "was true" but was no longer?
and half your "truths" did not mean its better, just cause you can play on the Vista dose not make it better


I will list below my opinions on why I think the PS4 is better subjectively, and I'm not some Sony fanboy because I owned and used a 360 for 6 years, but here goes:


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So in summary how does ALL of that get outweighed by anything positive the Xbox has? It simply doesn't in any way shape or form.
We KNOW microsoft can handle its servers\apps, ps3 had so many problems due to them not charging

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- No it is true. The PS4 console is factually still cheaper and will be cheaper for the foreseeable future. Basing your 'facts' off of speculation makes you look silly. Post me a link to a retailer selling the Xbox One at the same cost or cheaper than the PS4. I'll wait.

- Still cheaper + new interface makes it more promising. Featured cross game chat takes away one of Lives only advantages. Live is ahead but the gap is getting smaller.

- What is your point exactly? A gameboy isn't a new gen console whereas a PS4 is. Your comparison is horrifying.

- There was no 'opinion'. The PS3 exclusives The Last of Us and Uncharted 2 have higher critical ratings than anything on the 360. Also the PS3 having 54 exclusive games with a critical score of 75+ compared to the 360's 25 is a whitewash. The 360 doesn't even have half what the PS3 has. It's quite clear who's the winner there, without being a biased fanboy for 1/2 franchises. In general the PS3 rules the exclusives, and will continue to do so in the next gen. The last Gears game has done lasting damage to the franchise, selling a mediocre 1.3 million units worldwide. Gears isn't a big factor in the console wars anymore.

- Check what again? Indie developers state the PS4 is easier to develop for than the Xbox One because they are under no restrictions. It's simple really.

- Oh sorry I was unaware you were a developer. Enlighten me more. You do realise the PS4's 1.8 terraflops is 50% more powerful than the Xbox one which only clocks 1.2 terraflops? Are you trying to imply having better specs in nearly every department isn't an advantage?

- Dear god this is funny. Do you even own a PS3? Have you ever used PSN? If not then anything you say is invalid. Funny when I tried to order Wrestlemania 29 on the 360 that it DIDN'T work. Yeah your analogy is marvelous. So much for that paid service

- What is greatly limited? I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Your hypocrisy is funny since the Xbox One is greatly limited by it's Kinect, yet you defend that gimmick. Since the PS Vita isn't mandatory your point here makes no sense whatsoever. The Vita is it's own gaming device, so congratulations on going completely off topic.

- But PS4 does charge now? So evidently they will put that money towards their new interface.

The fact of the matter is Microsoft has completely shot themselves in the foot next gen. They don't have a direction or a strategy. They enforce policies, back them up when they come under fire, then completely reverse them after pre-orders struggle. They force the Kinect down people throats, hype it up in every way possible and NOW we have a potential Xbox One WITHOUT the Kinect they were hyping up soo badly. If Microsoft don't even know where they are going, then I don't expect the consumer will either.
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- No it is true. The PS4 console is factually still cheaper and will be cheaper for the foreseeable future. Basing your 'facts' off of speculation makes you look silly. Post me a link to a retailer selling the Xbox One at the same cost or cheaper than the PS4. I'll wait.

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- Still cheaper + new interface makes it more promising. Featured cross game chat takes away one of Lives only advantages. Live is ahead but the gap is getting smaller.
which means your point was negated

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- What is your point exactly? A gameboy isn't a new gen console whereas a PS4 is. Your comparison is horrifying.
my point was clear, your a fan boy who dont want to get it, they are at the size where it dont matter, a child could carry both easily, transportation is not a problem.

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- There was no 'opinion'. The PS3 exclusives The Last of Us and Uncharted 2 have higher critical ratings than anything on the 360.
raitings dont make a game better.
and if I where to bring up the 360 sealing more you would defect it with "that dont prove anything"

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- Check what again? Indie developers state the PS4 is easier to develop for than the Xbox One because they are under no restrictions. It's simple really.
And I can show you 5000 componys saying that the ps4 was hard to work for, means nothing.

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- Oh sorry I was unaware you were a developer. Enlighten me more. You do realise the PS4's 1.8 terraflops is 50% more powerful than the Xbox one which only clocks 1.2 terraflops? Are you trying to imply having better specs in nearly every department isn't an advantage?
And how much of that can we use? like anything they wont have the limts in till near the end and not even then

you will notice NO diffreint form game to game.

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- Dear god this is funny. Do you even own a PS3? Have you ever used PSN? If not then anything you say is invalid. Funny when I tried to order Wrestlemania 29 on the 360 that it DIDN'T work. Yeah your analogy is marvelous. So much for that paid service
oh yeah one problem, I own a ps3 and guess what? downloads?> not working, their online service? down way to much, and their serves keep getting hacked.

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- What is greatly limited? I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Your hypocrisy is funny since the Xbox One is greatly limited by it's Kinect, yet you defend that gimmick. Since the PS Vita isn't mandatory your point here makes no sense whatsoever. The Vita is it's own gaming device, so congratulations on going completely off topic.
I'm saying IF microsoft came out wiht a xbox lite or something like the vista, you would be complaining like the fan boy you are,


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- But PS4 does charge now? So evidently they will put that money towards their new interface.
we shall see.


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The fact of the matter is Microsoft has completely shot themselves in the foot next gen. They don't have a direction or a strategy. They enforce policies, back them up when they come under fire, then completely reverse them after pre-orders struggle. They force the Kinect down people throats, hype it up in every way possible and NOW we have a potential Xbox One WITHOUT the Kinect they were hyping up soo badly. If Microsoft don't even know where they are going, then I don't expect the consumer will either.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...o-1-at-launch/
they disagree .

btw http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...son,23278.html

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Co...omparison.aspx
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Playstation 4 features a video card based on AMD’s Radeon 7870. Alternatively, the Xbox One’s video card is derived from the Radeon 7790. This would suggest that Playstation 4′s GPU is somewhere around 50% more powerful than that of Xbox one, given the power variation in the PC equivalent. However, such an assertion is simply untrue because these are not the same GPU’s as their PC equivalent.

Claiming such a thing is marketing jargon − AMD has developed custom GPUs for both consoles; while some of the components are similar PC version, it is a modified card. Indeed the Radeon 7870 for the PC uses a 256-bit bus, twice the 128-bit bus of the Radeon 7790, but it is worth mentioning that they are integrated into a far-less-restricted architecture. The difference in clock speed and stream processors will be not equal 50% more power.

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Xbox outselling ps4 3 to 1

Maybe in North America but even that seems a reach with the recent policy changes clearly the result of poor pre order numbers.

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http://www.gamefront.com/report-xbox...t-less-bundle/

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@Rafyu

'which means your point was negated'

Well since the consoles aren't out and we haven't used the PS4 interface yet, that's a stretch.

'my point was clear, your a fan boy who dont want to get it, they are at the size where it dont matter, a child could carry both easily, transportation is not a problem.'

I'm a fanboy how exactly? I own a 360 and enjoy using it. Moronic comment from someone who hasn't got anything better to say, so they call someone a fanboy. The PS4 being smaller is still more beneficial than a One if you have small storage spaces, how is that even debatable? Your Gameboy analogy made no sense whatsoever since the Gameboy isn't even a console.

'raitings dont make a game better.
and if I where to bring up the 360 sealing more you would defect it with "that dont prove anything"


So what does make a game better? Are you telling me a critic (You know the guys who get paid to review games), aren't worth their salt? If we're going to use sales to determine things then Transformers is one of the best franchises ever and Wrestlemania 29 is the greatest of all time.

'And I can show you 5000 componys saying that the ps4 was hard to work for, means nothing.'

Edit: Looks like the Xbox One is now allowing self publishers. Another good 180 from Microsoft. The funny thing is, if they implemented these things in the first place they wouldn't be under so much criticism.

'And how much of that can we use? like anything they wont have the limts in till near the end and not even then

you will notice NO diffreint form game to game.'


The point in bold is ludicrous.

Again are you a developer? Until you can back this up stop talking rubbish. If we're going on facts the PS4 has better specs. That's the end of it.

'oh yeah one problem, I own a ps3 and guess what? downloads?> not working, their online service? down way to much, and their serves keep getting hacked.'

It's quite evident you don't own a PS3, since the servers have only been hacked a grand total of ONCE. People have plenty of problems on Xbox Live too, you know, that service you PAY for?

'I'm saying IF microsoft came out wiht a xbox lite or something like the vista, you would be complaining like the fan boy you are,'

Another fanboy 'oh you'd say this if Microsoft did ****' comment as a result of having nothing better to say. I'm not a fanboy. I own and enjoyed my 360 you know that Microsoft console? I invest my money into the best product and that product is quite evidently the PS4. Fanboyism doesn't come into it.

Did you just genuinely link me a serious article in which an 'expert' says the Xbox will outsell the PS4 3 to 1? I am utterly speechless. The console that is being outsold by the Ouya in Canada on Amazon is somehow going to outsell their rivals by 3 times the amount. I think you've had enough internet for one day..

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So much for the 'cheaper Xbox One argument' LOL.

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So now that we have heard/seen more details, changes, reviews, etc., is anyone more on the fence than they were a few weeks ago?

I personally still am.


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So now that we have heard/seen more details, changes, reviews, etc., is anyone more on the fence than they were a few weeks ago?

I personally still am.
Not on the fence at all. PS4 was the better console from jump, Xbox One just changed and basically became a PS4.


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Not on the fence at all. PS4 was the better console from jump, Xbox One just changed and basically became a PS4.
Pretending E3 never happened and this currently was the reveal of both, I would still get the PS4 despite heavily leaning towards a new Xbox before E3. An Xbox One which could match the PS4 price without a Kinect would have honestly had me from the start.

However hindsight is a wonderful thing and unfortunately Microsoft got theirs wrong. They have done too much utter BS to be worth the time and money and it genuinely amazes me how anyone can stick with them after everything is said and done. The people who flocked back to them after reversing their DRM/Online policies are probably the worst examples I can think of - the very definition of 'sheep'.
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