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Old 10-16-2013, 04:26 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'm not going to get into an argument with you in regards to whether or not Eric and Hulk killed WCW or not because the people who hate them will say they did always.

What I will argue is who Dixie has hired. She's hired many wrestling people who have been unable to do anything for TNA. Off the top of my head Bruce Prichard, Vince Russo come to mind. She's worked closely with Jeff Jarrett, Jim Cornette and tons of others and nobody has done squat for them really.

For people to sit here and say "Yeah, I could do a better job then Eric Bischoff" is incredibly silly and narcissistic. The guy was involved in wrestling probably before a majority of us were born. If TNA picked you or anyone else up from this forum, sat you in a booking office and said "Okay, now write me an hour and a half of television" it would suck and that isn't insulting you guys but the reality of the situation is nobody here knows how to write television that flows nicely segment to segment and is entertaining whilst also appealing to families, 20-40 year old men, children etc

We are smart marks on a message board. That is it, all we know is what Dave Meltzer tells us. That's our "inside info" on the sport. We do not know how to book a quality wrestling match. We don't know how to book a quality wrestling show and we definitely do not know how to write television or run the day to day inner workings of an international wrestling company let alone deal with entertainers, television networks and everything else people like Dixie and Eric have to deal with.

For you to sit there and call Dixie a "cunt" for simply trying to entertain you kind of shows what kind of person you are. If you hate Dixie and you hate Eric and you hate Hogan. Why post here? I don't like the WWE it doesn't appeal to me I hardly ever post over in the WWE section and when I do I definitely don't put anyone down and pretend I can do better then professional writing teams and staff.
I'm not the biggest wwe fan either, I post here because I do like tna and I want them to be better than they are.

I don't hate Dixie, I want her to realize she is not a wrestling person and get out of the way and hire a real wrestling person, she did this before 2009 what changed?

Vince Russo was nothing more than a smart fan with a crappy radio show who became a magazine writer who then against all logic rose to the head of creative and had an amazing influence.

I don't really like Russo but that's his story.

Same with bischoff, he was a crappy announcer who rose to executive producer and ultimately president of the company ad nearly put wwe out of business.

Anyone of us with the right ideas could help ta, then again for every one guy with good ideas tere's probably ten fuck heads who would royally fuck shit. Up.
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:38 PM   #62 (permalink)
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wow, something you and I can actually agree with



1. this whole "with the right storyline, if booked right, if handled right" thing is starting to sound more like a copout

2. tna isn't mainstream, instead it's sought of inbetween, in limbo

3. jody has retired whereas johnny, in his more recent years, is far from second rate

4. hardys WERE one of the best, but what have they done recenty? hmm?

5. short term thing like a wrestling legends convention/tour the hardys would make money, but as a long term thing though, not so much
1. Not really. I was thinking that the angle would be "Jeff needs a tag team partner to complete his triple crown, calls in his brother. I'm not proposing Matt as a long term solution. He's effectively Rick Steiner.

2. TNA has national TV, thus can be - and should be booked as - mainstream.

3. Neither man is second rate, but neither is a big enough draw in the US to risk at this stage of their careers.

4. As I said, short term solution for one angle and a draw.

5. Again, no intention of making it a long-term thing.

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Most of this site could.

How do you think bookers learn how to book ?, it's wrestling not rocket science.
This. I wouldn't mind this happening. Like a yearly experiment. Then if it doesn't go well then just drop it.
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I'm not the biggest wwe fan either, I post here because I do like tna and I want them to be better than they are.

I don't hate Dixie, I want her to realize she is not a wrestling person and get out of the way and hire a real wrestling person, she did this before 2009 what changed?

Vince Russo was nothing more than a smart fan with a crappy radio show who became a magazine writer who then against all logic rose to the head of creative and had an amazing influence.

I don't really like Russo but that's his story.

Same with bischoff, he was a crappy announcer who rose to executive producer and ultimately president of the company ad nearly put wwe out of business.

Anyone of us with the right ideas could help ta, then again for every one guy with good ideas tere's probably ten fuck heads who would royally fuck shit. Up.
Dixie does have wrestling people though.

Eric Bischoff: 26 years experience

Dave Lagana: 7 years experience

Hulk Hogan: 36 years experience

Jeremy Borash: 13 years experience

As for Russo. Yeah he did the radio show and then started booking things in a magazine. He was good at making characters he had no idea how to run TV though. That's why he started as apart of a committee and learned what to do.

It's very rare someone has good money making ideas on this board. You read the idea's and it's usually "Fire Hulk, Sting, Hardy and Angle. Hire Kevin Steen, The Briscoes and The Wolves"

What people don't take into account is that they're alienating their entire audience by doing this. Some people confidently said they could book better than TNA in this thread but when they were asked for a 3 month draft plan they couldn't do it. Why? Because they don't know.

One guy did it and to be fair his idea's were pretty good and not "Hire indy darlings" but a majority of people think bringing more good wrestlers to TNA would bump a rating or draw a crowd. It's untrue.

TNA need interesting story lines and TV. I like to compare it to movies. If you're watching a movie and it's just an hour and a half action scene does that entertain you? Maybe for the first 5-10 minutes. Maybe if you're really into action scenes you could even last a half hour but with nobody to become emotionally invested in how are you going to get any type of reaction from people? You can't.
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TNA need interesting story lines and TV. I like to compare it to movies. If you're watching a movie and it's just an hour and a half action scene does that entertain you? Maybe for the first 5-10 minutes. Maybe if you're really into action scenes you could even last a half hour but with nobody to become emotionally invested in how are you going to get any type of reaction from people? You can't.
if movies is your only preference then you should go back to them, pro wrestling is a different animal altogether and supposed to be a sport at its core much like Sports movies

having the best wrestlers in the world can help in the word of mouth department, since tna are having trouble with advertising as it is
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1. Not really. I was thinking that the angle would be "Jeff needs a tag team partner to complete his triple crown, calls in his brother. I'm not proposing Matt as a long term solution. He's effectively Rick Steiner.

2. TNA has national TV, thus can be - and should be booked as - mainstream.

3. Neither man is second rate, but neither is a big enough draw in the US to risk at this stage of their careers.

4. As I said, short term solution for one angle and a draw.

5. Again, no intention of making it a long-term thing.

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2. tna have stayed in the 1.0 zone for years now, its time for a different probably maverick approach altogether

3. this is pro wrestling, everything draws better than it
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Dixie does have wrestling people though.

Eric Bischoff: 26 years experience

Dave Lagana: 7 years experience

Hulk Hogan: 36 years experience

Jeremy Borash: 13 years experience

As for Russo. Yeah he did the radio show and then started booking things in a magazine. He was good at making characters he had no idea how to run TV though. That's why he started as apart of a committee and learned what to do.

It's very rare someone has good money making ideas on this board. You read the idea's and it's usually "Fire Hulk, Sting, Hardy and Angle. Hire Kevin Steen, The Briscoes and The Wolves"

What people don't take into account is that they're alienating their entire audience by doing this. Some people confidently said they could book better than TNA in this thread but when they were asked for a 3 month draft plan they couldn't do it. Why? Because they don't know.

One guy did it and to be fair his idea's were pretty good and not "Hire indy darlings" but a majority of people think bringing more good wrestlers to TNA would bump a rating or draw a crowd. It's untrue.

TNA need interesting story lines and TV. I like to compare it to movies. If you're watching a movie and it's just an hour and a half action scene does that entertain you? Maybe for the first 5-10 minutes. Maybe if you're really into action scenes you could even last a half hour but with nobody to become emotionally invested in how are you going to get any type of reaction from people? You can't.
I agree with you story and characters, and long term storytelling is important but having solid wrestling is nice too.

I'd compare it too the old days of wwf, you had hogan on top drawing the crowds and underneath you had Bret, perfect, the rockers, steamboat delivering quality wrestling as something for the fans to watch on the way to the main event.

It's wrestle mania 3 , hogan and Andre drew the people while underneath savage and steamboat put on a great match.

Although I feel the great matches should be reserved for ppv's. For the paying customers.

This is the way it should work, your weekly tv is like an infomercial to sell the ppv's, characters, and storylines. A wrestling tv show is still a tv show, it needs weekly storytelling and character building and the ppv's are where you pay every thing off with good matches, and storyline pay offs. Make ppv's so important to the story people have to buy them while also making them different from the tv with longer matches and more quality wrestling.

I would let hogan and sting go but just because they're contracts are up and if tna is really serious about saving money they can go. You still have Jeff hardy to rely on, I don't know why ta relegated him to mid card when they have him under a ong term deal, he's off drugs, and when used right he's an attraction.

Angle, if he's cleanis an asset too.

All theindy darlings to listed I do like, but if I'm trying to save money I'm not oing on hiring spree's if I were those would not e the guys.

If I were going to sign anyone from ring of honor it would be mike Bennett. That kids going to be a star.

Still can't believe they haven't brought in Chris masters or shelton Benjamin.

If I could I'd bring back Matt Morgan.

But let's focus on the current roster, aside from reintroducing Jeff hardy to the main event. I'd build Magnus over the next year. With him winning the title at bfg, just because I think it's important tna have a main event player under his late 30's and Magnus is the best. Of the bunch.

Also roode, Aries, and storm need to be re elevated thoe are just a few thoughts off the top of my head.
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wrestling is not meant to be a sport. where I can I go to find statistics like wins and loses? do they even keep an accurate track record of that?

professional wrestling is like sports entertainment, like a TV show. at least any professional wrestling that does have a TV show, like TNA does.

the problem with using the weekly shows to build the PPV to be good, is that people aren't buying the PPV. it's too easy to get it free online. if you were able to completely take away free streaming then maybe more people would actually buy the PPV. I've noticed for awhile that TNA puts more focus on the TV show than they do on PPV. that's why it's usually up until the last 2 weeks before a PPV before they've finally have the full card set. when they were doing 12 PPV a year it was like that almost all the time.
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wrestling is not meant to be a sport. where I can I go to find statistics like wins and loses? do they even keep an accurate track record of that?

professional wrestling is like sports entertainment, like a TV show. at least any professional wrestling that does have a TV show, like TNA does.

the problem with using the weekly shows to build the PPV to be good, is that people aren't buying the PPV. it's too easy to get it free online. if you were able to completely take away free streaming then maybe more people would actually buy the PPV. I've noticed for awhile that TNA puts more focus on the TV show than they do on PPV. that's why it's usually up until the last 2 weeks before a PPV before they've finally have the full card set. when they were doing 12 PPV a year it was like that almost all the time.
On the ppv front, this is wHy you need to appeal to casual fans, children, ect. People who have no idea about streaming or aren't as Internet savvy.

That's the problem with appealing to Internet fans, they're INTERNET fans. They're smarky and not going to pay for shit. Not all but a lot of Internet fans are like that
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Jeremy Borash knows nothing about wrestling.
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Jeremy Borash knows nothing about wrestling.
He knows he likes Wrestling he Likes wrestling, he just doesn't know how to apply what he likes into whatever company he works for.

Just just at his run booking wwf, Jerry jarrett himself said those were the worst shows he'd ever seen and that was with his fucking son main eventing those shitty shows.

Little confused why Jerry would then hire Borash and listen to anything that geek had. To say... Then again he also hired Vince Russo. Oh Jerry if only you knew how to tell you son, no this guy sucks! He all would have been enter off.
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