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Old 10-09-2013, 02:46 PM   #81 (permalink)
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1. The biggest issue to me overall was they were booked as a total job squad the entire 15 months they have been here. You have Sting single handily taking on the entire gang and almost winning. You have two on one matches with Angle where they barely pull it out. 60 year old Hogan hulks up and starts laying out the entire group. They would need a run in interference to beat their meat. How are we supposed to take these guys seriously when their fight record is like 34-105 and most of those wins were bully.

2. They could have built stars out of it, it had guys in the group that could have been huge in TNA like Doc and Knux. But TNA just fails at ever building up talent. Largely because you have guys like Angle that refuse to job clean to new talent to put them over...overall you have too many spotlight hoggers. Then once Bully Ray got revealed, suddenly the entire focus of the group was him, he was the only one on the mic, only one wrestling to titles, only one being pushed, only one even on camera some weeks. To me, his reveal was a major turning point in the stable because it became Bully and friends instead of Aces and eights.

3. Garret and Wes...Not a day goes by around here without someone bringing up how bad these two are. Both of them have a job because of their daddy's being friends with Hogan and we all know that. They are average at best in ring and on the mic...well lets just say their acting is 2 steps below porn. Yet, these two, largely again because of their daddy's influences on key people, were pushed as main focuses of the group. They were given the tag team push position, where Knux and Doc would sit outside the ring as bodyguards...to me this should have been reversed. They should have paired Knux and Doc together and pushed them as two huge fucking bikers that you dont want to fuck with...have them crush a few tag teams in near squash matches and get them feared. Garret and Wes have a good look, and can do good matches, but they need a LOT of work still, and someone needs to take them under their wing and hone them more before they can carry the weight of being a main focus like that...its really not their fault that it failed, its TNA's, Because nobody felt they were ready, yet they were thrown out there anyway. That is on the promoter and booker.

4. As I am sure most have said a thousand time...IT HAS BEEN 15 FUCKING MONTHS!!! Even if the group was the best thing ever, 15 months is a long ass time for a stable of that size to be together. People bring up that the shield has been going stong for nearly a year now and are still widely popular...But that is a 3 person group with the three best talents the WWE could find, and they have been booked correctly and intelligently. TNA did none of this with aces, Its shows the difference between the two companies well. When the WWE makes a power stable, they take the time to make sure everything will be in place to make it work. TNA pulled a WCW (imagine that), and had a good idea for a stable that got a lot of attention early, but once they have this popular stable thats getting attention, they have no idea what to do with it now, so it just sticks around without a direction or purpose for an insane amount of time. Its just Eric and Hogan trying to do the NWO again, and like the NWO, once it was established, they just kept in there but had no real idea what to do with it.

5. They lost half the group to their fucking money problems. Doc was one of the best faces in the group and boom...gone. D'lo was a major story character and boom...gone. Anderson is also gone now due to money problems...It basically advertises to the world that TNA cant pay its bills.

What Aces and Eights represents, is a perfect example of why TNA is not going to be able to compete with the WWE on a major level within the next 5 years at least. Top to bottom it shows that they can take a brilliant idea that could have been epic, and put ratings numbers above 2...and due to lack of writing, booking, promoting, and even financial problems...the group is going down in history as one of the worse wrestling "could have been" stories of all time.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:51 PM   #82 (permalink)
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3. not to call you thoroughly uninformed but it's not different, like....at all, in fact tna have been beating this dead horse since 2003
glad you asked. so answer this. when was the last time a group of guys attacked who were all wearing masks and you didn't know who they were? we've seen attacks, we've seen groups, but from what I remember you knew who they were.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:57 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I also wonder what effect Jeff hardy had on the Aces and Eights. I mean that for his contract situation. roughly around the time Aces and Eights were starting out was when Austin Aries was champion. he then feuded with Jeff Hardy, and Hardy became champion. it was said/thought at the time TNA was putting the championship on Hardy to make/keep him happy and hoping he resigns with the company. some had thought he would go back to WWE. what if the plan was to originally have Bully be Aces and Eights sooner but things had to be changed because of Hardy. it was a long time from when Aces and Eights debuted to when Bully won the title. that could be a reason why Aces and Eights storyline had to be dragged out.
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Old 10-09-2013, 03:08 PM   #84 (permalink)
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DLO as VP was the first nail in the coffin IMO

i think the theme song was a lullaby too....they needed some badass jolting music with swagger like the nwo song

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glad you asked. so answer this. when was the last time a group of guys attacked who were all wearing masks and you didn't know who they were? we've seen attacks, we've seen groups, but from what I remember you knew who they were.
here's some better questions:

1. asked? did I use a question mark up there?

2. why didn't the whole tna roster just storm or surround the A&8s after they gain access to The Zone and then take their masks off then?

3. the last time we've seen something with lack of substance in something nobody asked for in the first place....are we talking about A&8's or Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS?

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here's some better questions:

1. asked? did I use a question mark up there?

2. why didn't the whole tna roster just storm or surround the A&8s after they gain access to The Zone and then take their masks off then?

3. the last time we've seen something with lack of substance in something nobody asked for in the first place....are we talking about A&8's or Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS?

you could probably ask stupid questions that didn't happen for many many different angles in professional wrestling.

nobody asked for the nWo either, so I guess that storyline should have never should happened.

it's a storyline for entertainment on TV.
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Probably never should have booked it. Then they let it drag on way too long. The idea of the masks planted the idea that somebody known or surprising would be involved and we got Wes & Garrett. Then they obviously had no idea how to end the angle, no big rivalry, led to dredging up the MEM stable yet again. Last I watched it seems that Bully is alienating the ones left, but none of them are going to challenge him for the title - at least I hope not. They did not even really protect the title for Bully that much like most stables used to do. TNA had improved a good bit and as has been said it obviously began to drop momentum when they started this endless storyline. I still have no idea what the payoff is supposed to be.
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question: what would have made Aces and Eights better?
maybe not being a biker gang would have helped. that would not have limited them to who would work in the group. definitely have bigger names. I don't really know specifically who. if you're going with Bully as the president, then you likely don't want another heavyweight guy, like say Roode. so who would have worked? Matt Morgan? Samoa Joe? Abyss? Gunner? someone not in TNA? if you're going with Bully as champion, then you likely aren't going to go with someone like Batista or Goldberg. then one might say not to have Bully as the president, but Bully as the heel champion has been great.
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maybe not being a biker gang would have helped. that would not have limited them to who would work in the group. definitely have bigger names. I don't really know specifically who. if you're going with Bully as the president, then you likely don't want another heavyweight guy, like say Roode. so who would have worked? Matt Morgan? Samoa Joe? Abyss? Gunner? someone not in TNA? if you're going with Bully as champion, then you likely aren't going to go with someone like Batista or Goldberg. then one might say not to have Bully as the president, but Bully as the heel champion has been great.
Matt Morgan would of looked sweet with the leather pants. I wish TNA used him better. He's a genetic freak.




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Bully as the leader with Matt Morgan as the bodyguard would of been sweet.
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