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Buildings like the Verizon Arena which is the main arena in the city are always busy and rates are much higher. We're not talking about the Alamodome here which is way too huge to host most events and hence they have lower rental rates. TNA could easily draw the same crowd in a 2,000-2,500 seat arena and cut costs on production and they would be making a lot more money off it. Booking big arenas is unnecessary and TNA still isn't ready for it.
Na dude he was right the buildings are not really the issue. i have seen local promoters throw shows where i live and have 1000 people show up in a 7000 seat arena and from hear say make 50 grand. the venue is the easy part its the talent,travel cost and everything else that is the main chunk of it.

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In what world is 2000 a bad crowd though? Again, compared to WWE it's bad but they're still drawing better then everyone else in the United States.
In this world, the real world where you have the likes of Hulk Hogan, Sting, Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, Bobby Roode, Austin Aries, AJ Styles on your fucking card, prepared and advertized. Also, in the world where your taping expenses reach at least 600K per taping. Also, in the world where you book expensive, giant ass areans, only to set them up for 40-50% of the capacity... AND YOU CAN'T FILL OUT EVEN THAT! And stop comparing them to the rest of the States, the other feds don't spend 600K per taping, the other feds make some actual money, or at least break even, jack.


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Re: Ticket sales numbers for Impact Wrestling taping in Little Rock

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Okay so TNA running a House Show circuit, Managing to draw 2000 fans fortnightly, touring internationally, being seen in more countries, attracting popular talent and becoming more well known throughout the world isn't a sign of growth?
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a house show circuit that only hundreds of people are appearing at

2000 fortnightly for televised events in arenas that can take way more

when was the last time they toured internationally other than Europe?

they were doing all this long ago when they got Christian Sting and Angle, in those days all the lesser ppvs could get 3000 easily, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT NOWADAYS?!
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Pretty sure they pack the Arena's in Britain and that a PPV earlier this year drew 10,000 fans.

Also, what indy is consistently drawing 2000? Big indies like PWG and PWS usually draw around the 700-1000 mark. ROH gets about 2000 for their biggest show of the year.
the arenas in Britain don't constitute tna entire road schedule and they only go there once a year, lord knows if they would get the same numbers on a weekly basis, im not discounting the possibility I just doubt it

how about NJPW AAA and CMLL? also these indy feds don't spend half the budget nor have reputation tna has so really WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?

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Re: Ticket sales numbers for Impact Wrestling taping in Little Rock

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In this world, the real world where you have the likes of Hulk Hogan, Sting, Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, Bobby Roode, Austin Aries, AJ Styles on your fucking card, prepared and advertized. Also, in the world where your taping expenses reach at least 600K per taping. Also, in the world where you book expensive, giant ass areans, only to set them up for 40-50% of the capacity... AND YOU CAN'T FILL OUT EVEN THAT! And stop comparing them to the rest of the States, the other feds don't spend 600K per taping, the other feds make some actual money, or at least break even, jack.


This fucking section...

You are incredibly anti TNA and you hate anyone who is a fan of TNA so it's not really worth debating with you entirely but again:

1. "Giant Ass Arena's" are less expensive and easier to hire. If TNA wanted to hypothetically run a 2000 seat theatre or arena it'd probably be just as expensive.

2. Out of all the names you mentioned only Jeff Hardy, Hulk Hogan and Sting are really going to draw people in. They do need more "stars" but 2000 is still pretty respectable.

3. You end your post with "this fucking section" maybe you should just leave? You're rarely positive and rarely add anything to a conversation. Even the TNA haters at least bring up decent conversation and points. You just seem to whine all the time. If you don't like the product don't watch it.

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a house show circuit that only hundreds of people are appearing at

2000 fortnightly for televised events in arenas that can take way more

when was the last time they toured internationally other than Europe?

they were doing all this long ago when they got Christian Sting and Angle, in those days all the lesser ppvs could get 3000 easily, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT NOWADAYS?!the arenas in Britain don't constitute tna entire road schedule and they only go there once a year, lord knows if they would get the same numbers on a weekly basis, im not discounting the possibility I just doubt it

how about NJPW AAA and CMLL? also these indy feds don't spend half the budget nor have reputation tna has so really WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
Do you even read what is written? They hire the big arenas because they are cheaper. A 2000 seat arena is going to cost more to hire and have more rules then a 10,000 seat arena. The smaller venues have so many rules and probably don't even have the facilities to run LIVE television.

As for the House Show circuit it's usually 700+ which isn't that bad but could be better. The issue is TNA don't have a lot of stars right now and they really need to hire more. Nobody really wants to see guys like AJ, Daniels, Joe except for the smarks and hardcore TNA fans. That's why House Shows are down, if they could get Sting to appear and talk to the audience and maybe one more active "star" wrestler they'd do over a thousand each time. House Shows are 100% about seeing your favourites and seeing the stars. TNA doesn't offer that.

What does international touring have to do with anything? They tour Europe and the United States probably also Canada. My point simply was they're gaining popularity throughout the world I never said they had enough popularity to tour those countries. Regardless, to use my own example in 2005 nobody here in Australia knew anything of TNA except the hardcore wrestling fans. These days it rates almost as well as WWE does. Whether you like it or not this means TNA has grown.

In those days all the lesser PPV's were at Universal but regardless when they started going on the road with all their home grown talent and big WWE signings such as Booker T, Christian, Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner etc they were struggling to get 3000 people into Pay Per Views. Hell, Bound For Glory 2009 drew only 2300 fans. TNA can draw that occasionally with Impact today.

When is the last time AAA, CMLL and NJPW drew 2000 in the United States? Do you think TNA would really have any trouble drawing massive numbers in Japan? It's 2 completely different markets. TNA would be incredibly successful in Japan and also Mexico.
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Re: Ticket sales numbers for Impact Wrestling taping in Little Rock

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You are incredibly anti TNA and you hate anyone who is a fan of TNA so it's not really worth debating with you entirely but again:

1. "Giant Ass Arena's" are less expensive and easier to hire. If TNA wanted to hypothetically run a 2000 seat theatre or arena it'd probably be just as expensive.

2. Out of all the names you mentioned only Jeff Hardy, Hulk Hogan and Sting are really going to draw people in. They do need more "stars" but 2000 is still pretty respectable.

3. You end your post with "this fucking section" maybe you should just leave? You're rarely positive and rarely add anything to a conversation. Even the TNA haters at least bring up decent conversation and points. You just seem to whine all the time. If you don't like the product don't watch it.


Hahaha, oh my god... You're so hopeless.

And oy, I'm a TNA fan, just hate the morons running it, I'm simply not a super annoying blind mark like yourself. I actually like half of the things going on at the moment. Only tools think TNA's doing fine these days. But hey, you're an annoying smark, and I'm not going to leave the section as long as I watch the product.

You smark.

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You are incredibly anti TNA and you hate anyone who is a fan of TNA so

When is the last time AAA, CMLL and NJPW drew 2000 in the United States? Do you think TNA would really have any trouble drawing massive numbers in Japan? It's 2 completely different markets. TNA would be incredibly successful in Japan and also Mexico.
If TNA can draw so well in Japan, then why haven't All Japan and New Japan featured them on there shows?

When was the last time New Japan worked with TNA?

WCW fans who can't let go of the past are killing pro-wrestling today. There I said it.
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and have more rules then a 10,000 seat arena. The smaller venues have so many rules and probably don't even have the facilities to run LIVE television.
I find that hard to believe

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As for the House Show circuit it's usually 700+ which isn't that bad but could be better. .
maybe if they were more for an indy model then you night have a point, but with being capable of higher attendances would give them reason to remove the lesser show from the schedule entirely

schedule has always been one of pro wrestling's biggest problems

tna have been in a position for years to solve a ton of this subcultures' problems

speaking of indy do you have any idea how many competent promotions would kill for a 33 mil a year trust fund

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Nobody really wants to see guys like AJ, Daniels, Joe except for the smarks and hardcore TNA fans. That's why House Shows are down, .
1. THEIR VERY FIRST HOUSE SHOW GOT 3000 ATTENDEES!

2. you clearly haven't been watching tna that long

3. if that's the case then




consider yourself lucky

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, if they could get Sting to appear and talk to the audience and maybe one more active "star" wrestler they'd do over a thousand each time. House Shows are 100% about seeing your favourites and seeing the stars. TNA doesn't offer that.
trust me sting is no big draw, he would bring a few more to the yard but not enough for the show to look like a success, otherwise we wouldn't even be having this conversation

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What does international touring have to do with anything? They tour Europe and the United States probably also Canada. My point simply was they're gaining popularity throughout the world I never said they had enough popularity to tour those countries. .
well thank you at least for clarifying, details matter

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Regardless, to use my own example in 2005 nobody here in Australia knew anything of TNA except the hardcore wrestling fans. These days it rates almost as well as WWE does. Whether you like it or not this means TNA has grown.
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that's old news, its been like that FOR F**ING YEARS NOW!

and yet not grown enough to sign Goldberg, Jericho or Ross

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In those days all the lesser PPV's were at Universal but regardless when they started going on the road with all their home grown talent and big WWE signings such as Booker T, Christian, Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner etc they were struggling to get 3000 people into Pay Per Views. Hell, Bound For Glory 2009 drew only 2300 fans. TNA can draw that occasionally with Impact today. .
because they certainly aren't struggling now

also it makes it okay because of BFG? that WM mentality is so f***ing annoying

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When is the last time AAA, CMLL and NJPW drew 2000 in the United States? Do you think TNA would really have any trouble drawing massive numbers in Japan? It's 2 completely different markets. TNA would be incredibly successful in Japan and also Mexico.
why would they even want to set foot in such an overcrowded market

im not discounting japan but rumour has it they did go to mexico once, had sting on the show, and only drew 200 people
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why haven't All Japan and New Japan featured them on there shows?
you mean recently?

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Re: Ticket sales numbers for Impact Wrestling taping in Little Rock

I have come to a Conclusion

Wrestling isn't as popular as it used to be in the USA. WWE has got by basically on name power alone. Trying to be a thorn in the WWE, like WCW was in the middle 90's, can't work anymore because there simply isn't enough interest in wrestling right now. If Hulk Hogan, a legend all over the world, can't help TNA with ticket sales then it wasn't meant to be. The economy is still suffering and enough people can't afford to pay for luxury services like TNA. If TNA died today it would be a like a tree dropping with nobody in the forest.
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