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Old 02-19-2013, 01:24 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I'll give you Rosa Mendes and maybe Kaitlyn that Velvet is better than in the ring but that's it.
What about Oksana Naomi.........Eve...Beth Phoenix(botchmaster).... Alicia Fox...Cameron...Natalya... Awful in ring. I'm sure Natalya,is a great trainer, just a mediocre performer. Beth had potential, but is not on roster just like Eve..

Maybe Layla. Tamina maybe one day. AJ maybe one day.

I'd take velvet, Tara, mickie and Madison and Gail over them. Brit twins looked good too.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:55 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Its a good thing the Diva's matches arent 7 minutes, the divas for the most part, are boring. Same with the Knockouts.

AJ and Ziggler are the same as Tara and Jessie, only not as big of a joke as those two.


You're bragging over TNA allowing a woman to referee and intergender tag team match and knocking WWE for not doing it? WWE had a woman as the IC Champion... Or are you just choosing to forget such a thing?
I'm pretty sure that was what, 10 years ago. I'm pretty sure my post was regarding the recent months and yea, I am. Cause it wouldn't happen, I'm not bragging I'm stating a fact. And, as for the Jesse and Tara / Dolph and AJ thing, who is looked at as the "pants in there relationship? Tara. When in WWE does a male act as a valet for a Diva, that's all I was saying. If you don't like either divisions, cause its pretty obvious, why are you commenting on these threads?
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Because of that kind of attitude we have more Velvet Skys and Tessmachers than we do Awesome Kongs or Sara del Reys. "They're just for show" is the attitude that will make sure it stays that way. I actually never see the female talent dating anyone; I get that info from forums like these. If it weren't for people saying it, I'd never know. What's more, I don't care. What I take issue with is the assumption that just the women are sluts. Sorry, but if you go by the criteria people judge the women by, switching up dudes, then by that same token CM Punk is a male slut, because he's dated a lot of female wrestlers. Apparently Cena is a slut too. I'm not the least bit a feminist, but there are male wrestlers right now whose faces and bodies are more paying their way than their ring skills. (*ahem* Rob Terry) I could say, "Maybe the guys are just there for me to look at" but I know that's not true; if they can't work, I don't care how hot they are, get out of the ring or off my tv. Attractiveness is no measure of worth, but that might just be my ovaries talking.

Tara and Gail Kim are apparently "not that good." Well, this is news to me. But I don't blame people for thinking like above. They work very hard to create that image, after all. Just disappointed that it's that cut and dried for some folks. Anyway, as you were.
He might be but he doesn't trade in willingly on his sexuality now does he? The women in wrestling have their sexuality amped up to highly trashy proportions cosmetically and in the behaviour they demonstrate on screen and off. In and out of the ring it is how they sell themselves.
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He might be but he doesn't trade in willingly on his sexuality now does he? The women in wrestling have their sexuality amped up to highly trashy proportions cosmetically and in the behaviour they demonstrate on screen and off. In and out of the ring it is how they sell themselves.
I won't argue with that at all. Indeed, you are correct. In real life, I wouldn't be seen hanging out with someone like Velvet Sky because of guilt by association. Now, the woman who plays her might be quite different. The problem for me is when people equate the character with the actual person. I notice how people say, "I hate SuperCena but John Cena is [insert positive characteristic here]" - and yes, they do that, though you'd never guess it judging by these forums. But women are not given the benefit of the doubt; if they act like sluts on screen, they're assumed to really be that. Just makes me think of all the comments that I've read where people say Velvet should do porn. But, it does not surprise me that people say that; it doesn't exactly bother me, either, b/c it "makes sense" in the weirdest of ways, but let's be fair here. And you make a point with Punk, but the thing w/a lot of women (I won't speak for all) is that he doesn't have to. Him just being him does all the work; it need not be a deliberate effort. All women like a confident man; men and confident women, not so much. She needs to be hot. At least that's the impression I get from male wrestling fans over the years.

I've never denied that the Knockouts are trashy; that's part of their twisted appeal. They used to have some non-trashy ones, but those are gone for the most part. If they have in-ring talent in spite of their trashiness, I don't like when that's dismissed; I don't like when women's wrestling is dismissed in general, b/c it's largely not like what they show on mainstream tv. If they're gonna be trashy, then they can be as trashy as they want, but they'd still better know how to wrestle, and if they can, it's stupid to disregard that they can. But, really, why wouldn't they? Both WWE and TNA have done a disservice to women's wrestling in portraying it as they have, to where those who might have cared are just corrupted by the image of buttcheeks in the camera. The cameramen stay on their jobs making sure we get it in our heads just what the Knockouts are primarily there for. More's the pity, but that's how it is.

It's convoluted at this point. lol Anyway, I get it. I just don't have to like it.
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I'm of the opinion that someone who isn't slutty in real life wouldn't take any of the jobs women in wrestling are offered.
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I'm of the opinion that someone who isn't slutty in real life wouldn't take any of the jobs women in wrestling are offered.
Well, thank you for confirming the idea that women in pro-wrestling = sluts.

In any case, I'm the farthest thing possible from slutty, but if they offered for me to be an interviewer, ring announcer, manager, or valet, I would do it. I would just be classy while I did it. And not what passes for "classy" nowadays -- so, no boobs pushed up to my neck, no butt cheeks hanging out the bottom of whatever I'm wearing, no nude/risque photoshoots (you need to see me naked/in a bikini, why?), no slutspeak, etc. Instead, legitimately classy, intelligent, and covered up; and as much as I like to look at wrestlers, I would not date one. But then, I would likely not get a job, because based on the assumed intelligence level of wrestling fans, subtlety has no place in pro-wrestling, nor do they want or feel they need a genuinely classy woman in wrestling, at least not now. Just about the only woman you can have out there in real business wear and not a Frederick's of Hollywood knockoff is Dixie Carter. Personally, I don't think being a masturbatory fantasy object is anything to take pride in, but, honestly, a woman could be wearing a track suit, acting like a legit nerd, and many wrestling fans would still make the correlation you made. So yeah, though I hate that cop-out, but it is truly what it is.
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I'm pretty sure that was what, 10 years ago. I'm pretty sure my post was regarding the recent months and yea, I am. Cause it wouldn't happen, I'm not bragging I'm stating a fact. And, as for the Jesse and Tara / Dolph and AJ thing, who is looked at as the "pants in there relationship? Tara. When in WWE does a male act as a valet for a Diva, that's all I was saying. If you don't like either divisions, cause its pretty obvious, why are you commenting on these threads?
I'm commenting on this thread because the original topic wasnt about which company has better woman's wrestlers, if women are over sexualized, or who is slutty and who isnt. I am one of the few who actually commented on the original thread topic. :shock
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I'm commenting on this thread because the original topic wasnt about which company has better woman's wrestlers, if women are over sexualized, or who is slutty and who isnt. I am one of the few who actually commented on the original thread topic. :shock
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I'm commenting on this thread because the original topic wasnt about which company has better woman's wrestlers, if women are over sexualized, or who is slutty and who isnt. I am one of the few who actually commented on the original thread topic. :shock
I actually did comment on the topic, but it is true that it got derailed. My apologies for upsetting your sensitivities to the relevance to the thread; usually when this happens on other threads, I ignore it, but I realize that not everyone is able or indeed willing to do this. I shall do my utmost to not get out of line in such a fashion again.

Couldn't help but notice, though, that technically this comment of yours is not on topic; it is indeed, on the other topic. And considering that there is more than one thread talking about what they need to do with the Knockouts Division, well... But in any case, point taken.

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