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Old 02-08-2013, 02:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Do you actually think they can do that? Surely becoming slowly more established and taking it step by step so they dont go in over their head is what they need to do. Personally I think that shouldn't be the mindset they have since it's unlikely to happen and they should just focus on their own product since iirc they've been doing alright financially doing what they do.
That isn't the point of the discussion. You asked why Hogan was right and I told you. They have been around for 10+ years. They will NEVER grow without pushing themselves out and touring nationally. The Impact Zone was a hindrance. They've taken it step by step. They got their deal on Spike. They went HD. They went live. Now they're going on the road. As a fan you should be supporting their efforts, not condemning them before they've even began going on the road.

I'm not saying it's guaranteed success either. I'm as worried as you are. All I'm saying is that this is a natural progression and it's what they need to inch closer to becoming bigger than they are currently.
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Why on earth are people having a pop at Hogan here when he is talking complete sense?

TNA at some point have to take a gamble, you dont grow without taking risks. Why should they be happy just to stay where they are?

Just because WWE exist doesnt mean TNA cant get bigger, maybe never WWE size, but they can certainly be bigger than they currently are.
Maybe because Hogan is talking out of his ass and doesn't make an inch of sense?

He is claiming that it's now or never for TNA to get bigger than they currently as if they are on a timer which is bullshit since they are still a company with plenty of time to grow. If they want to become the #1 company in the world and compete with WWE, than cool beans but greatness doesn't happen overnight. People really need to stop trying to force TNA to create another Monday Night War with the WWE so damn quickly. Let them keep growing as a company first.
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WWE from a business standpoint is 10, 100, 1000 times bigger than they were in 2000.
And 10, 100, 1000 times shittier than they were back then.
I know, it might be your opinion as well, but I had to say it...
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That isn't the point of the discussion. You asked why Hogan was right and I told you. They have been around for 10+ years. They will NEVER grow without pushing themselves out and touring nationally. The Impact Zone was a hindrance. They've taken it step by step. They got their deal on Spike. They went HD. They went live. Now they're going on the road. As a fan you should be supporting their efforts, not condemning them before they've even began going on the road.

I'm not saying it's guaranteed success either. I'm as worried as you are. All I'm saying is that this is a natural progression and it's what they need to inch closer to becoming bigger than they are currently.
im not saying touring nationally is bad. I support it, I even said I've agreed with everything they've done this year. What I dont agree with is this:

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You’re at that point now. It’s the same place we were with WCW – you either run with the big dogs or be a little dog and stay on the porch.

The destiny of this company is in her hands. It can stay TNA, a powerful little company, or she can make the decision to move on to greatness.
do you think Hogan is right with this?

saying they're in the same place as WCW is bad. they've tried "running with the big dogs" & it did nothing. TNA can build their own legacy without caring about the competition. i agree w/ you that they should inch closer. but they shouldn't put themselves up against WWE because that's destined for failure. just focus on themselves.
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I do agree that they shouldn't be focused on WWE. Just focus on building their own product. That may just be Hogan wanting to compete with Vince though.

What they should learn from WCW is that when WCW was so determined to compete with WWF/E in its last few years, they spent their way to being bought out by the competition.

Slow and steady wins the race. The positive about them trying to go up against WWE a couple years ago was that they found out that they are no where near to the level as WWE.

Going on the road more and more will help and cutting down on PPVs was a great idea. That part I do agree with Hogan.
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At least it seems Hogan has learned a lesson from his WCW days. Before when he used to go on Mancow or Bubba the Love Sponge he would tear down everyone and say WCW only made money because of him. Now he is admitting that the game has changed quite a bit and even giving props to the newer guys. Good baby steps Hogan.
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Yes, I'm very scared of a company that I would like to see grow but wouldn't mind it being a smaller company who caters to loyal fans such as myself. I'm terrified actually. :bateman


Maybe because Hogan is talking out of his ass and doesn't make an inch of sense?

He is claiming that it's now or never for TNA to get bigger than they currently as if they are on a timer which is bullshit since they are still a company with plenty of time to grow. If they want to become the #1 company in the world and compete with WWE, than cool beans but greatness doesn't happen overnight. People really need to stop trying to force TNA to create another Monday Night War with the WWE so damn quickly. Let them keep growing as a company first.
And who said that? Hogan didn't, nobody has. The only one talking out their ass is yourself.

TNA at some point have to take a gamble, it makes no difference wherever it is now or in 10 years.

Do you want them to stay in the IZ forever and just stay where they are? What kind of wrestling fan are you exactly?

How very boring.
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I really wish Hogan would stop making these WCW and TNA comparisons.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with TNA staying as a little powerful company. They have a loyal fanbase and continue to put out some solid shows so it's really nothing wrong with staying as a little powerful company that has a loyal fanbase that enjoy's their product. Like Shepard said, they shouldn't rush what they are doing just to compete with the "big dogs". Hogan should understand by now that greatness doesn't happen overnight, especially during the TNA vs Raw Monday Night Wars fiasco back in 2010.
If they expand and are successful at it, wonderful, but what you say is SO TRUE, and what I've been saying ad nauseum is that some people cannot let TNA stand on its own and not compare it to anything else, which people tend to do even if it's only subconsciously. For some people, if they're not trying to compete with WWE (whether they admit that's what they mean/feel or not) then they're dismissible a la "They will never beat WWE" (which I don't believe for a second). So many times people have used the word "legitimate" about TNA's changes. How were they not legitimate before is what boggles my mind. Let's not fool ourselves here: "legitimate" means having what WWE has or close to it, because if that was not an issue then those people would think TNA was already legitimate. I've thought they're legit in the Impact Zone, and the crappiness of the crowd - which can happen and does happen in any promotion - didn't take away from that. The size didn't; the IZ sets didn't; the dang rope colors and turnbuckle logos didn't. Change all of it, okay, that's good, but they were still a wrestling company before they did.

So while I see where Hulk is coming from, while I have faith that TNA could become as big as or bigger than WWE, I identify with your statement. It is the nature of man to compete, so this is natural progression, but what is "natural" is not always what is meant. We'll find out one way or the other. But that WWE has to be the measuring stick to which TNA has to hold it self up is regrettable in my view, because they've had so much going for them by being different. I want them to grow and prosper, but if they start over producing and changing the target audience for their product then I won't have either show to watch. I don't fear their failure at all; I fear them becoming like WWE is today, which would mean the end of everything I came to love them for. That, too, is natural progression for a company that wants to maximize its results: appeal to families. Nothing wrong with that; the most money is in that, but that means the product has to change. So I say again, I want them to grow; I just don't want them to change (as in their content, the way they do promos, etc.) I want TNA to win, but at their own game. No need to look over WWE's shoulder. They should know how to do things by now. I think they do.
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Fucks sake. I'm afraid I'm going to have to use caps here:

THEY ARE NOT 'TRYING' TO BE AS BIG/BIGGER THAN WWE, THEY ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO GROW YOU FUCKWITS.

Jesus wept. Everybody knows they are likely never, ever going to be anywhere near as big as WWE are, but that doesn't mean they cant be bigger than they (TNA) CURRENTLY are.

Its called 'business'. You look to grow at every single opportunity you have. Just because they will never be as big as WWE doesn't mean they are not allowed to aim for bigger things.
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And who said that? Hogan didn't, nobody has. The only one talking out their ass is yourself.

TNA at some point have to take a gamble, it makes no difference wherever it is now or in 10 years.

Do you want them to stay in the IZ forever and just stay where they are? What kind of wrestling fan are you exactly?

How very boring.
I never said Hogan or anybody in this thread stated that but fans in general who are eager for TNA to compete with WWE when they simply don't have to.

And for fuck sakes, are you even reading my posts? I never said TNA should stay as a small little engine that could nor did I state that they should stay in the Impact Zone. I stated in my previous post that there is nothing wrong with them being a smaller company that caters to their loyal fanbase. If they want to strive to become a bigger company, than that's fine but they have plenty of time to grow. All of this "It's now or never for TNA" bullshit that Hogan is spewing out doesn't make any sense.

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If they expand and are successful at it, wonderful, but what you say is SO TRUE, and what I've been saying ad nauseum is that some people cannot let TNA stand on its own and not compare it to anything else, which people tend to do even if it's only subconsciously. For some people, if they're not trying to compete with WWE (whether they admit that's what they mean/feel or not) then they're dismissible a la "They will never beat WWE" (which I don't believe for a second). So many times people have used the word "legitimate" about TNA's changes. How were they not legitimate before is what boggles my mind. Let's not fool ourselves here: "legitimate" means having what WWE has or close to it, because if that was not an issue then those people would think TNA was already legitimate. I've thought they're legit in the Impact Zone, and the crappiness of the crowd - which can happen and does happen in any promotion - didn't take away from that. The size didn't; the IZ sets didn't; the dang rope colors and turnbuckle logos didn't. Change all of it, okay, that's good, but they were still a wrestling company before they did.

So while I see where Hulk is coming from, while I have faith that TNA could become as big as or bigger than WWE, I identify with your statement. It is the nature of man to compete, so this is natural progression, but what is "natural" is not always what is meant. We'll find out one way or the other. But that WWE has to be the measuring stick to which TNA has to hold it self up is regrettable in my view, because they've had so much going for them by being different. I want them to grow and prosper, but if they start over producing and changing the target audience for their product then I won't have either show to watch. I don't fear their failure at all; I fear them becoming like WWE is today, which would mean the end of everything I came to love them for. That, too, is natural progression for a company that wants to maximize its results: appeal to families. Nothing wrong with that; the most money is in that, but that means the product has to change. So I say again, I want them to grow; I just don't want them to change (as in their content, the way they do promos, etc.) I want TNA to win, but at their own game. No need to look over WWE's shoulder. They should know how to do things by now. I think they do.
Awesome post man. Hit the nail right on the head. Although I do want TNA to elevate themselves to be a big company, it doesn't matter to me if they become a big company or not as long as they are putting out quality Impact Wrestling shows and PPVs.
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