Do you think TNA are risk takers? - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling Forums
Reply

Old 01-28-2013, 03:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
The Eater of Worlds
 
Riddle101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 9,396
Riddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missed
Default Do you think TNA are risk takers?

In business, risk taking is more a less apart of becoming successful, and the same has been done in wrestling too. Vince McMahon took a risk with Wrestlmania 3, he put everything on the line and the risk turned out great. It helped Hogan become the icon he was, and was a monumental moment in wrestling. In 1996, Hulk Hogan turned heel and we got the NWO. Before then Hogan had always been a babyface, and initially Hogan was reluctant at turning at first. But eventually Hogan decided to go for it and his heel turn became one of the biggest moments in wrestling too. Both those moments ended up changing wrestling in some way shape or form. But i've often wondered about TNA. Do you think TNA would take risks, even if they didn't know the outcome? Or do you think TNA are afraid to take risks?

Look at CM Punk for instance, he cut that huge shoot promo a year and a half ago and it made him a big star with WWE. WWE was smart enough to capitalize on that promo because they saw the potential in it. But what if that promo were done in TNA. What if for instance, Samoa Joe had cut a shoot promo where he just shoots on how bad things are with TNA. It's common knowledge that Joe has been booked like shit for years, and I think there are times when even the stars(including Joe) look like they're pissed off with the product. I would be too if I were a TNA wrestler. But if Joe did what Punk did, do you think they would capitalize on that and push Joe to the moon? Or would they fire or release his ass?

Personally, I don't think TNA really know how to capitalize on things. I don't think TNA really knows when to take chances and when not too. I certainly haven't seen them do so. They always strike me as playing it carefully, just happy being in their comfort zone and not going overboard because they're not willing to tgo the extra mile. Maybe that's the main problem with TNA, is that they're not ruthless or risk takers. Vince McMahon became successful because he was ruthless and a risk taker, so if TNA did things might be different. I don't think that it's a coincidence that even after 10 years, TNA still do the poor ratings they do. At this point they should be doing 5.0 in the ratings, yet a barely see them make it past the 2.0 mark. But i'm kind've getting ahead of myself now, since the main topic is on whether TNA are risk takers or not.
__________________
Favorite Wrestlers Of All Time - The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle and Edge



Last edited by Riddle101 : 01-28-2013 at 03:42 PM.
Riddle101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 01-28-2013, 03:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
Carrying SCOTT STEINER's bags
 
shandcraig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,855
shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

Of course they are. But they are being smart.You are not smart if you take your show on the road and are not making any money at all.Thats just stupid. Fans are not coming then they cant do it.They should on the other hand just smaller the size they are trying to reach.Go do small 3500 size venue impact wrestling tv road shows. With a much simpler but still cool stage set.It can be done and i hope they go this way one day. Instead of trying to half sell a huge arena

And dont think for a second anything Punk says is a shoot.His entire character is build on so called pretending to be against the wwe. Its still all fake.All planned out with in the company. People will believe anything.

Plus 5.0 ratings ? What is this 1999.Not even the wwe gets that

Last edited by shandcraig : 01-28-2013 at 03:57 PM.
shandcraig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 04:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
Little Poppa Pump
 
roadkill_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The WWE Universe
Posts: 2,208
roadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new hereroadkill_ better hope they're relatively new here
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

This isn't an ideal climate to be taking risks in. TNA shouldn't be compared to WCW or WWE, not that the OP directly did. But people expect too much. WCW had access to unlimited funds and WWE has massive funding itself. We should be thankful we have an upstart promotion at all the way the economy is going.

Remember, TNA was once nothing more than a coversation between a few guys on a fishing boat.
__________________


www.manlymovie.net
roadkill_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 07:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
Lacing SCOTT STEINER's boots
 
Thomas Batista's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,028
Thomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friendsThomas Batista needs to make some friends
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

For the most part TNA has played it safe since day one. The product mirrors WWE in a ton of ways and TNA has survived off of WWE heat. Its unreal, but they have yet to cut their own niche.
Thomas Batista is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 08:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
Getting ignored by SCOTT STEINER
 
Mrs. Austin Aries's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Formerly from Tokyo
Posts: 950
Mrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more seriousMrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more seriousMrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more seriousMrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more seriousMrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more seriousMrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more seriousMrs. Austin Aries needs to take rep more serious
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shandcraig View Post
Of course they are. But they are being smart.You are not smart if you take your show on the road and are not making any money at all.Thats just stupid. Fans are not coming then they cant do it.They should on the other hand just smaller the size they are trying to reach.Go do small 3500 size venue impact wrestling tv road shows. With a much simpler but still cool stage set.It can be done and i hope they go this way one day. Instead of trying to half sell a huge arena

And dont think for a second anything Punk says is a shoot.His entire character is build on so called pretending to be against the wwe. Its still all fake.All planned out with in the company. People will believe anything.

Plus 5.0 ratings ? What is this 1999.Not even the wwe gets that
I approve this message.

To the OP, I will say again, we live in a time of people feeling an undue sense of entitlement, which leads them to want exactly what they want right away even if it is not feasible at the moment. TNA are doing things right in how they're trying to expand. I'm not sorry that they're not doing things fast enough to people, despite the fact I'm actually an impatient person. Not trying to be rude, but please consider this and you'll feel a whole lot better about the situation. Given the current standing of pro wrestling as a whole based on the standard WWE has set themselves, this would be the worst time to make impulsive choices. I'd rather have a house built carefully than one built quickly and for looks. That won't satisfy a true fan.

And what's more, I don't think that a TNA wrestler would get fired for shooting, especially if they're only "shooting." TNA promos come across as rougher because, that I know of, they're not actually scripted like WWE promos are. So their promos actually come across better to me than CM Punk's because at least I can't see the strings. They make fun of bad angles and gimmicks right on the air and they leave it in.

---

And I've never for a second thought they were trying to be - or needed to be - like the WWE. If WWE sets the standard, then any other promotion will suffer the comparisons. This would would literally implode if people didn't get their chance to compare things. "Omgee, Dixie Carter breathes air! She's so totally copying off of Vince McMahon because he breathes air too! She will never breathe air as well as Vince does; she should give up breathing." -- That is what comparing the two promotions sounds like to me. You can copy someone's specific style, but you can't "copy" basic things that were in existence before the company/person you compare it to was started/born.
__________________
Pro-wrestling is almost dead. Or maybe it died already and didn't realize it.
Mrs. Austin Aries is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 08:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
Learning to break kayfabe
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 204
Scorpion Deathdrop is an after thoughtScorpion Deathdrop is an after thought
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

They're definitely starting to take more risks than before. I like that they didn't cave to the PG era. I also like that their promos are being shot like a Reality TV show, rather than the typical Wrestling Promo.

They did cave to Hogan/Bischoff by replacing the 6-sided ring, that helped set them apart.
Scorpion Deathdrop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 09:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
Carrying SCOTT STEINER's bags
 
shandcraig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,855
shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig shandcraig
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Austin Aries View Post
I approve this message.

To the OP, I will say again, we live in a time of people feeling an undue sense of entitlement, which leads them to want exactly what they want right away even if it is not feasible at the moment. TNA are doing things right in how they're trying to expand. I'm not sorry that they're not doing things fast enough to people, despite the fact I'm actually an impatient person. Not trying to be rude, but please consider this and you'll feel a whole lot better about the situation. Given the current standing of pro wrestling as a whole based on the standard WWE has set themselves, this would be the worst time to make impulsive choices. I'd rather have a house built carefully than one built quickly and for looks. That won't satisfy a true fan.

And what's more, I don't think that a TNA wrestler would get fired for shooting, especially if they're only "shooting." TNA promos come across as rougher because, that I know of, they're not actually scripted like WWE promos are. So their promos actually come across better to me than CM Punk's because at least I can't see the strings. They make fun of bad angles and gimmicks right on the air and they leave it in.



---

And I've never for a second thought they were trying to be - or needed to be - like the WWE. If WWE sets the standard, then any other promotion will suffer the comparisons. This would would literally implode if people didn't get their chance to compare things. "Omgee, Dixie Carter breathes air! She's so totally copying off of Vince McMahon because he breathes air too! She will never breathe air as well as Vince does; she should give up breathing." -- That is what comparing the two promotions sounds like to me. You can copy someone's specific style, but you can't "copy" basic things that were in existence before the company/person you compare it to was started/born.


I could not agree more about the Impact Wrestling promos being rougher.In a good way of course. No matter what people think pro wrestling is about wrestling and that concept is rough.Its not a pretty concept. So everything that comes along with that is sorta rough fun ect. Pro wrestling is not perfect nore should it ever be.This is the biggest thing i hate about the wwe.They try so hard to be perfect.

I like that promos are rough and edgy and come off as im telling you what i think. When someone talks to you in real life its not like they give perfect conversation.

It should feel rough and more real.Not perfect word for word wwe.
shandcraig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
 
Liverpoolkelly7's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 482
Liverpoolkelly7 is an after thoughtLiverpoolkelly7 is an after thought
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

I think TNA should move impact to another night. Who the fuck is home on thursdays anyways? I was reading the best cable ratings on thursdays are in the 2.0s so....
__________________
FUCK RATINGS & "WHATS BEST FOR BUSINESS", I WANNA BE ENTERTAINED!
Liverpoolkelly7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 09:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
Fired by SCOTT STEINER
 
Combat Analyst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,000
Combat Analyst Combat Analyst Combat Analyst Combat Analyst Combat Analyst Combat Analyst Combat Analyst Combat Analyst
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpoolkelly7 View Post
I think TNA should move impact to another night. Who the fuck is home on thursdays anyways? I was reading the best cable ratings on thursdays are in the 2.0s so....
Honestly I think TNA should move to Friday, and see if they can compete with Smackdown

But that most likely won't happen, so I say they move to Wednesday.
__________________
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c07d02b42a25747222354c0ff8a16a46/tumblr_mn2hipLFC11rgam01o1_r1_500.png


Black Is Beautiful


Spoiler for DrIllmatic:
Combat Analyst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 01:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
The Eater of Worlds
 
Riddle101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 9,396
Riddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missedRiddle101 probably won't be missed
Default Re: Do you think TNA are risk takers?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shandcraig View Post
Of course they are. But they are being smart.You are not smart if you take your show on the road and are not making any money at all.Thats just stupid. Fans are not coming then they cant do it.They should on the other hand just smaller the size they are trying to reach.Go do small 3500 size venue impact wrestling tv road shows. With a much simpler but still cool stage set.It can be done and i hope they go this way one day. Instead of trying to half sell a huge arena

And dont think for a second anything Punk says is a shoot.His entire character is build on so called pretending to be against the wwe. Its still all fake.All planned out with in the company. People will believe anything.

Plus 5.0 ratings ? What is this 1999.Not even the wwe gets that
If they were smart they would have thought up a plan years ago. They would have set up some goals and an agenda and work to it. But it doesn't seem to me like they have.


Quote:
Originally Posted by roadkill_ View Post
This isn't an ideal climate to be taking risks in. TNA shouldn't be compared to WCW or WWE, not that the OP directly did. But people expect too much. WCW had access to unlimited funds and WWE has massive funding itself. We should be thankful we have an upstart promotion at all the way the economy is going.

Remember, TNA was once nothing more than a coversation between a few guys on a fishing boat.
I know the economy is not great now, but TNA was founded 10 years ago. They really should have done something back then. Especially since the wrestling world was still fresh off of the falls of ECW and WCW. They could have capitalized on that. Like ECW proclaiming themselves Alternative wrestling in the 90's, TNA should have done the same thing in the 00's. But it doesn't seem like people bought into the TNA product.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Austin Aries View Post
I approve this message.

To the OP, I will say again, we live in a time of people feeling an undue sense of entitlement, which leads them to want exactly what they want right away even if it is not feasible at the moment. TNA are doing things right in how they're trying to expand. I'm not sorry that they're not doing things fast enough to people, despite the fact I'm actually an impatient person. Not trying to be rude, but please consider this and you'll feel a whole lot better about the situation. Given the current standing of pro wrestling as a whole based on the standard WWE has set themselves, this would be the worst time to make impulsive choices. I'd rather have a house built carefully than one built quickly and for looks. That won't satisfy a true fan.
Again TNA has been around for 10 years. They should have thought out a plan back then. There's building a house carefully, and not building a house at all. Look at Shimmer Women Athletes for instance. There's a promotion that's been around for half the time TNA was, and they've done very well for themselves since. They're not mainstream, but they seem to know what they're doing. TNA only up until three years ago, has only tried branching out and trying new things, when really I think they should have been branching out around 2005 when it has a few years behind them.

Quote:
And what's more, I don't think that a TNA wrestler would get fired for shooting, especially if they're only "shooting." TNA promos come across as rougher because, that I know of, they're not actually scripted like WWE promos are. So their promos actually come across better to me than CM Punk's because at least I can't see the strings. They make fun of bad angles and gimmicks right on the air and they leave it in.
Maybe they wouldn't get fired, Samoa Joe didn't after he broke kayfabe and cut that shoot promo on Scott Hall. But he was punished for it. My point is, if some disgruntled TNA wrestler had cut a Punk like promo, would TNA actually capitalize on it, or would they bury the wrestler instead?

Quote:
And I've never for a second thought they were trying to be - or needed to be - like the WWE. If WWE sets the standard, then any other promotion will suffer the comparisons. This would would literally implode if people didn't get their chance to compare things. "Omgee, Dixie Carter breathes air! She's so totally copying off of Vince McMahon because he breathes air too! She will never breathe air as well as Vince does; she should give up breathing." -- That is what comparing the two promotions sounds like to me. You can copy someone's specific style, but you can't "copy" basic things that were in existence before the company/person you compare it to was started/born.
I agree with you with this. But it wouldn't hurt Dixie to take a few tips about how to run a company from Vince either. They should really look into promoting the product more to the outside work, try to get more exposure and mainstream appeal, but also get some good business going.
__________________
Favorite Wrestlers Of All Time - The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle and Edge


Riddle101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios