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Should TNA have allowed Jeff Hardy to keep the title despite being unable to show up?

  • No, TNA made the wrong decision, he should have lost the title before the tour.

    Votes: 61 83.6%
  • Yes, TNA made the right decision here by keeping the belt on him and writing him off screen.

    Votes: 12 16.4%

Jeff Hardy UK Tour Situation

17K views 169 replies 63 participants last post by  kurtmangled 
#1 · (Edited)
Just read on TNA Wrestlings UK Facebook page that Jeff Hardy wont be attending the Road to Lockdown tour due to injury sustained on Impact Wrestling on Jan 18th.

He's been replaced on tour by Sting!
 
#29 ·
Long rant about Jeff Hardy w/ spoilers for next Impact.

As you all probably know, Jeffrey Nero Hardy is unable to go to the United Kingdom, due to his drug use and possession. As you also know, Hardy is currently TNA World Heavyweight Champion. One more thing you might know is that TNA is going to the U.K. for 4 weeks, a move which is receiving much praise for TNA. Now, due to his drug possession, Jeff cannot attend these UK shows. In case you don't know, this means there will be 4 television programs without Jeff Hardy. This means, for one month, TNA's Champion is not able to work for the company, or at least show up on TV for four weeks.

Now, due to this, one might think the smartest move, although somewhat unprofessional, would be to quickly change the champion so that they can show up on Live tour. Christopher Daniels was a man who many thought would do this. It made perfect sense, didn't it? I mean, he's 42, not getting any younger but still in his prime, he's entertaining, OVER, it won't be for much more than a month, and he deserves it for all the dues he has paid. One might assume that Dixie Carter's impromptu "this is now a number one contender's match" tweet about the Daniels Vs. Storm match at Genesis was because they had just confirmed that Jeff could not appear for four shows, and they considered it a bad idea to keep their champion off of Television for so long. Daniels and Hardy almost had a mini-feud that seemed like the best way you could book an impromptu transitional championship reign. However, the Charismatic Enigma will retain the belt. This is horrible business. They put Hardy's face on tickets, posters, and everywhere they could, CENTER STAGE to advertise this tour. Then, as they found that Hardy could not tour, they decided to write him off of Television, not by letting him lose the title due to Kaz, or Aces And Eights, or make arguably TNA's best heel look good, but instead, letting him win, and then getting ambushed. Instead, to "make up" for the absence of Jeff, they decided to add in Sting, who was advertised last year as being on "his final UK tour". These are both accounts of false advertisement. TNA could easily be sued for this, and they don't really have an argument against it. This would be another lawsuit against TNA that could be because of Jeff Hardy.

This has nothing to do with Jeff Hardy as a performer. If you want me to talk about his performance, I can, I think he is an above average in-ring performer who is 35, and after his spots and lack of dedication to stay in shape, he won't have that for much longer. He is horrible at promos, in fact, TNA has changed the product enough to do "inner monologues", solely for the purpose of showcasing their champion. This man has had law-suits filed against him for being intoxicated during his in-ring performance, and the fact is that most guys who have been life-long addicts get relapses, even when they try their best not to. Jeff Hardy needed to be champion, so they decided that they should turn Austin Aries, their most talented performer, (This is an opinion, an arguable one, a stupid one would be that he is not top 5 in most talented performers, and that he is not top 5 in overness) who was really popular, to a HEEL, so that they could transition him to a loss to Jeff Hardy at Bound For Glory 2012. None of this should have happened. Jeff should be wrestling in the X-Division, wrestling a match, occasionally cutting a promo, getting fatass dough, but TNA would also be getting the same merchandise sales, and be able to advertise this. However, this is not the focal point of this thread. The focal point is that a convict who cannot leave the country should not be made bigger than the promotion.

TNA lied to us. TNA lied to the UK. TNA is doing the wrong thing by keeping the belt on Hardy. Whether you like Hardy or not, it cannot be denied that a convicted felon's merchandise sales are NOT as important as a small company trying to make itself bigger.

However, if you disagree with me, please state why. I am 100% up for a debate. If you agree, thank you, and maybe, just maybe, if enough people agree, we can TRY to trend something on Twitter during the showings of Impact, or get it known that this behavior is unacceptable.

I have added a poll to this also. Please, for the sake of the poll, try only to vote for one of the two topics, and base it solely off of the question; not whether you disagree with my other statements.

Thanks for reading.
 
#36 ·
Re: Long rant about Jeff Hardy w/ spoilers for next Impact.

How do you know Daniels doesn't get the belt? I don't see any spoilers anywhere...

If you're right, then yes. This is a f*** up of monumental proportions. And that's actually why I thought Daniels would be getting the belt - Jeff's troubles meant they needed a champ and by making Daniels the champ they 1) Reward a guy at the top of his game who's been fantastic and loyal for 10 years; 2) They have a champ for the tour; 3) By making Daniels champ they can take it off him in short order - a short reign for Roode and Aries would kill their momentum. As good as he is, Daniels is getting on so a transition run would do him no harm.

So essentially they get to reward him; please the IWC; have a champ for the tour who they can, if they wanted to, replace quickly and have guaranteed gold promos for a month or two. In fact, their moving of Roode and Aries into the tag division made me think this was even more likely to be the case.

If they really have just shrugged their shoulders and mumbled, "Jeff's still champ, you just won't see him for a few months," then it is beyond retarded, on both a creative and business level.

But where did you get the spoilers about Daniels not getting the match? Even if Jeff truly is injured (and it's not a legal thing) it's not beyond the wit of man to film a segment where they beat him down and steal the belt or something.
 
#41 ·
Re: Long rant about Jeff Hardy w/ spoilers for next Impact.

How do you know Daniels doesn't get the belt? I don't see any spoilers anywhere...

If you're right, then yes. This is a f*** up of monumental proportions. And that's actually why I thought Daniels would be getting the belt - Jeff's troubles meant they needed a champ and by making Daniels the champ they 1) Reward a guy at the top of his game who's been fantastic and loyal for 10 years; 2) They have a champ for the tour; 3) By making Daniels champ they can take it off him in short order - a short reign for Roode and Aries would kill their momentum. As good as he is, Daniels is getting on so a transition run would do him no harm.

So essentially they get to reward him; please the IWC; have a champ for the tour who they can, if they wanted to, replace quickly and have guaranteed gold promos for a month or two. In fact, their moving of Roode and Aries into the tag division made me think this was even more likely to be the case.

If they really have just shrugged their shoulders and mumbled, "Jeff's still champ, you just won't see him for a few months," then it is beyond retarded, on both a creative and business level.

But where did you get the spoilers about Daniels not getting the match? Even if Jeff truly is injured (and it's not a legal thing) it's not beyond the wit of man to film a segment where they beat him down and steal the belt or something.
It might be a page back, but MTheBehemoth posted them, and I'm pretty sure they're on TNAsylum.

Daniels did not win. Jeff is not injured, kayfabe says he was injured by Aces and Eights. Last time I checked, rubber hammers do not injure guys.

I thought the same thing as you; I sincerely was beginning to think Daniels might win. Logic added up. I truly though TNA would give me the mark-out moment of my lifetime, and give him the championship. It didn't have to be long, he probably doesn't have the physical capacity to go for much longer, but he deserved it. Instead, give it to the charismatic enigma.

Every factual thing I said in there is true, feel free to look it all up.
 
#44 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

They should have finally put the title on Daniels, he definitely deserves it. He could have cut an epic promo, on how all the UK fans were expecting to see Hardy on the UK tour but he took him out. He could even have come out to Hardy's music on one show to troll the fans.
 
#45 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

They should have finally put the title on Daniels, he definitely deserves it. He could have cut an epic promo, on how all the UK fans were expecting to see Hardy on the UK tour but he took him out. He could even have come out to Hardy's music on one show to troll the fans.
Why do that when you can keep the title on the super awesome, charismatic enigma, Jeff Hardy!?
 
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Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

Not to mention that they sold these tickets 8 months ahead of time with Jeff Hardy as a main attraction. Now a week before the tapings they pull a fast one. I'm sure the UK crowd will still enjoy Sting, but that's not the point. It was false advertisement, since TNA knew from the beginning that Hardy most likely wasn't going to make it.

The whole thing should be embarrassing to TNA.
 
#28 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

Fuck you, TNA, would it fucking kill you to make the Ring General the Champion even for a month? I mean, for fuck's sake, Hardy can't make it anyway. Shit like this is why this company is doomed on business mediocrity for ever.
 
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#47 ·
Re: Long rant about Jeff Hardy w/ spoilers for next Impact.

Thanks guys - just found the spoilers - they were on page 2. I don't usually go beyond the first page.

Well, that's just..... unbelievable, and not just because I'm a Daniels mark. They must have known Hardy couldn't make the UK tour!? If that's the case just slap it on Daniels for the tour, have a few filmed promos of Hardy saying, "Creatures, I'll get mah belt back", then when the tour's over they can slap it back on him, if that's what they really want to do and they can pick up whatever storylines they're working on from there. PLUS, we get a shock title change, great promos for a month and a loyal guy gets a bone.

But nah. Just sell a load of tickets, knowing Hardy won't be there, and have no World Champ on TV for a month.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.
 
#48 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time... (Spoilers inside)

Im actually suprised Sting was never scheduled to be over there. Thats 4 weeks of television and he has been a big part of the Aces & 8 storyline.
So after he just returned he was suppose to not be on TV for another month?

Weird.
 
#51 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time... (Spoilers inside)

Im actually suprised Sting was never scheduled to be over there. Thats 4 weeks of television and he has been a big part of the Aces & 8 storyline.
So after he just returned he was suppose to not be on TV for another month?

Weird.
Good point. Maybe they were planning another epic Sting return after the UK tapings.
 
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#52 ·
Re: Long rant about Jeff Hardy w/ spoilers for next Impact.

Even I, one of the core TNA marks, must say it.... FUCK YOU Dixie Carter, Bruce Pritchard, Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan.

All the respect to Daniels, a ring general, teriffic wrestler, best heel, but I think he should spit in all of their ugly faces.
 
#57 ·
Re: Jeff Hardy UK Tour Situation (Spoilers inside)

Guys do not forget that this could also mean a vacate of the belt.Impact Wrestling episode in the Uk could see Hogan coming down and saying the belt is vacated from jeff. Making a world title match between 2 others.Daniels vs whoever.Winner gets the belt. Could be another good way to show case a great match in a epic aptmosphere. Having a new person become the world champion.

Most likely this wont happen.Just saying it would make a lot more sense to have a new champ be crowned in the UK instead of the impact zone
 
#64 ·
Re: Jeff Hardy UK Tour Situation (Spoilers inside)

Hmm? Why did they advertise Jeff to be there for all these months? then less than a week before the tour, they pull him for a Kayfabe injury? IIRC this is around the time his contract is up for TNA? Possible it isn't a done deal staying with TNA wise. I adore Jeff, I don't think its his fault, Its TNA, They should have put the belt on Daniels, even if it was for a month, at least he could say he "HELD" it then.. Shaking my head at TNA at this one..
 
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I try and defend the company usually because i think they get too much unfair criticism.

Saying that this is fucking ridiculous and the kind of thing that does real damage to a companys long term image.

They have used a proven draw and star to promote and advertise a tour knowing full well that the guy would not be appearing on the show because he is legally not allowed to enter the country. Its bullshit plain and simple. They have lied to a fanbase that they claim to always put first and treat better than the competition.

Add in the fact that now the world championship is not on the shows so fans who get one tour a year wont get to see the world champion. Its not as though there arent options for other guys to take the belt. The company is full of great workers who have worked their asses off to further the company and put on the best shows for the fans and yet the company leave the belt on Hardy. Spitting on the rest of the roster and more importantly on the paying fans who lets me honest have put up with a hell of a lot of shit from this company but who have stuck by them
 
#132 ·
Re: Jeff Hardy UK Tour Situation (Spoilers inside)

Good thing Commentators and Jabronis was around to smack Hardy a few times with a rubber prop hammer. Because you know, if you get hit with a hammer you can't go on t.v. or travel for a full month.

I can't wait to watch the insightful Jeff Hardy inner monologues about his 'exterior and interior pain' instead of, you know, watching a wrestling promotion's champ work a WRESTLING MATCH.

This is why you don't do business with a junkie. How many times has he burned WWE and TNA and both companies just gleefully bash their face on the hot stove top again and again and again?
 
#134 · (Edited)
Re: Jeff Hardy UK Tour Situation (Spoilers inside)

Good thing Commentators and Jabronis was around to smack Hardy a few times with a rubber prop hammer. Because you know, if you get hit with a hammer you can't go on t.v. or travel for a full month.

I can't wait to watch the insightful Jeff Hardy inner monologues about his 'exterior and interior pain' instead of, you know, watching a wrestling promotion's champ work a WRESTLING MATCH.

This is why you don't do business with a junkie. How many times has he burned WWE and TNA and both companies just gleefully bash their face on the hot stove top again and again and again?
To be far in regards to the last paragraph...

This isn't really his current fault, he could be saving the lives of starving children and curing cancer, and burning all of the cocaine in the world, because this is all in the past. If TNA did not know about this earlier on, then shame on them for not preparing properly, and if they did, shame on them for being two-faced traitors to every single person who has put where they are today.

I mean, if you see hitchhiker on the street with a huge correctional facility half of a mile back, and you pick him up, who is to blame for what happens?

I will talk all the shit about Jeff possible, but this isn't really something that he should be blamed for, it's TNA's fault for their lack of professionalism.

How can I change poll options so that it shows who voted what? I know it's too late now, but for future reference it would be helpful.
 
#141 ·
Re: Jeff Hardy UK Tour Situation (Spoilers inside)

The current champ is not missing a show because of an angle, an angle is because the current champ is missing a show.

THAT is not right.

I personally will feel VERY sour watching the next four Impacts, knowing that the "top dog" is not there because he is a convicted felon.

This is not an angle. This is not real. This is because TNA just HAS to put the belt on Hardy, because they think for some reason that Hardy is going to draw new fans and viewers in. He doesn't need to be the champion for 4.5 months (that's what it'll be after the tour that he won't defend in), and most people have grown tired of his stale act.

Also, the Impact Zone is the only place we've seen him in so far to judge his "overness", and when we try to go to another country, he won't be able to go there because he is a convicted felon. The 25 year old virgin with the Sting mask, along with all the other tourists and idiots in the Impact Zone marking out does not necessarily mean that Hardy is over.

I would really like to see the people in the UK boo him, but I doubt it happens.
 
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#2 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

I heard about something 'bout drugs. Was he high again?
 
#3 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

Where exactly does it say this?

I might make WWE my brand if this is true.
 
#167 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

Much drug mockery in the comments that followed!
:lmao

Anyway, I find Hardy a boring champion, and I can see both sides of the argument (especially, 1. he was advertised, 2. no champion on the tour looks bad to people, 3. people take exception to him being champion or him not being on the tour because of his priors) but I actually don't see it as big a deal in that I would be annoyed if they flip-flopped the belt just because he couldn't come on the tour. I'd like a better reason for someone to become champion than that, and given that people complain so much when titles change hands often, I feel as I do. Now, if they took it off him and kept it on someone else, then okay. But don't make a "tour champion" and then give it back to him just because he couldn't come. I think they really thought that he would be able to, thus the advertising; otherwise, they could have stuck Hogan front and center and called it a day and still had people come.

Welcome, soulstealer13!
 
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Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

Here:
It's Official: Jeff Hardy NOT on UK Tour!

TNA IMPACT WRESTLING regrets to inform our fans in the UK and Ireland that Jeff Hardy will not be on the Road To Lockdown Tour, due to an injury sustained on the TNA IMPACT WRESTLING show on January 18.

However we are delighted to announce that ‘The Icon’ Sting will be replacing Jeff at the TNA live events in Dublin, Glasgow, Nottingham, Manchester and London.

Also appearing on all five shows will be global wrestling superstars including Kurt Angle, Bully Ray, Austin Aries, Bobby Roode, James Storm, Magnus, RVD, Tara and Velvet Sky.

The Immortal Hulk Hogan and Brooke Hogan were recently added to the roster for TNA’s TV tapings in Manchester and London.

The stars of TNA Wrestling: British Boot Camp – Marty Scurll, Rockstar Spud and The Blossom Twins – will also be appearing in Glasgow, Nottingham, Manchester and London.
 
#7 ·
He didnt come last year either did he?

Maybe its a result of his legal problems and he cant go abroad.

For me the champion doesnt have to appear on every show and actually shouldnt in order to make it a bigger deal when the champ does appear. But 4 weeks of tv is a bit excessive and his pressence will be missed.
 
#9 ·
Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

Yeah it's also posted on pwinsider.

I blame TNA for this. This is your 1st major overseas tour where you'll be taping 4 episodes of IMPACT in front of probably your best crowds ever....and you don't have a champion with you?....because you gave a convicted felon the title?

Roode, Aries, or Daniels should have won the belt. TNA had to have known, at least by yesterday (Daniel's title match), that Jeff couldn't make the UK Tour. So now you have your "champion" off of TV for the next month while you make this much needed tour.

SMFH
 
#10 ·
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Idiots shouldn't have had him win the title in the first place.

So many people at those shows are gunna be pissed off.
 
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Re: Jeff not visiting UK this time...

a lot of people are saying on the picture its because he's banned from entering the uk due to convictions and can't leave the states.

you can't go blaming TNA for Jeff Hardy stupid mistakes and problems, he shouldn't be the champion if he can't go over sea's
 
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Going to UK, without your world champion. Great bussiness, TNA
 
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