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Old 01-10-2013, 10:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Pacquiao or Mayweather did not create boxing though. Sure they help, sure they are arguably the biggest stars in that sport but they alone did not make the brand. They did not take boxing and suddenly turn it in to a household name, that happened over years and years with the help of many stars. Not trying to take away from what they've been able to do, just saying that no one person can suddenly take a brand and make it a house hold name. The only person who came close was Hulk Hogan in his youth with the WWF/E. Having stars helps, it helps a lot but eventually those stars grow old, get hurt, or people grow tired of them and they'll need to be replaced. That process is made a lot smoother by having an established brand already in place.
100% agree with what you said above. But, sticking with the Boxing example TNA is Wrestling. Oscar De La Hoya was the biggest ppv draw in boxing history because of crossover appeal. While, I don't disgree that TNA doesn't have the name of WWE, I think a next level star would do wonders for the brand.
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TNA has the talent, but will they build it right?
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th sad truith that al of u cant ceem to grrasp is dat wrestlig is getig les poplar each day and no bodde caires abot it

vinse is senile at this poiint and th growth of tna has pleateuaed nd roh has nevr bin mor than his a crapy cult
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Its hard to create stars when the presentation is so poor. The Impact Zone just brings everyone down to the same level. When they were at Wembley, everyone looked like a star. If the crowd react they you are a star you will convince more people you are a star. If you watched TNA you'd think Eric Young was a huge star the way they react to him. But he's a nobody.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:23 PM   #35 (permalink)
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That's basically what I was getting at with acquiring a top name WWE talent. Making waves. If someone actually left WWE for TNA, and actively states it on social media sites with millions of followers, who wouldn't be interested in checking out TNA as a result?

It's how WCW went from nobody to the number 1 brand (albeit it briefly). People were intrigued that wrestlers were leaving the WWF in favor of this completely unknown brand. Unfortunately Dixie doesn't have the passion and bankroll (Or her own television stations) to do it to the scale Turner did (Where he was acquiring a new top name talent practically monthly).

Just look at all the talent WCW lost to WWF that ultimately led to its downfall (And has carried the WWE for the past decade). Austin, Foley, Taker, Edge, Batista, Geurrero, Jericho, Mysterio, etc. Maybe even Cena seeing as how he was in Ready2Rumble.

If WCW stopped and evaluated the level of potential of the guys 'hanging around' instead of ignoring them for "big payoff" cheap pops with big name 80s guys. . .They might still be around today.

All we can hope is that WWE accidentally lets slide some talent like that. With The Rock and Lesnar being paid nearly $400k per appearance (Not even wrestling, but even just promos) some talent might jump ship and one of them could eventually be the next big thing (No one could have ever predicted Austin's influence at the time).

Shoot, they almost lost Punk in July 2011 because of this, who knows how many other guys are in the same boat that can't save themselves like Punk has.

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Old 01-10-2013, 04:27 PM   #36 (permalink)
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That's basically what I was getting at with acquiring a top name WWE talent. Making waves. If someone actually left WWE for TNA, and actively states it on social media sites with millions of followers, who wouldn't be interested in checking out TNA as a result?
People know TNA exists. They just dont care. TNA put a billboard of Hulk Hogan up in times square and only did a 1.0 in March 2010. People just dont want to watch a second wrestling show. One is bad enough.

WCW was completely different. They had a media conglomerate backing them. Their wrestlers were doing Slim Jim commercials and were turning up at the Cable Ace awards with other TNT stars. TNA cant even get out of Universal. Comparing them to WCW just isnt fair.

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People know TNA exists. They just dont care. TNA put a billboard of Hulk Hogan up in times square and only did a 1.0 in March 2010. People just dont want to watch a second wrestling show. One is bad enough.

WCW was completely different. They had a media conglomerate backing them. Their wrestlers were doing Slim Jim commercials and were turning up at the Cable Ace awards with other TNT stars. TNA cant even get out of Universal. Comparing them to WCW just isnt fair.
I'm not so sure. RVD says the number one question he fields is: "Why did you quit wrestling?" and he has to explain he's still wrestling and that WWE isn't the only place, it's just the biggest.

I think I remember Jeff Hardy having a similar response. To most people WWE IS Wrestling. If they're not in WWE, they're probably not wrestling anymore. They don't understand Wrestling isn't like other sports. People don't leave the NFL to go to the CFL or Arena league, but in Pro-Wrestling it's a much different animal.

Angle, Hardy, Sting, etc. Could still be big draws for WWE, but have reasons not to be there. But some people would ignorantly think that WWE just doesn't want them and they're settling for 2nd place. Vince has given all but his leftnut to try and get Sting but not everyone knows this. They probably think he's not relevant anymore and can't do any better. That he can't get to the WWE.

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I'm not so sure. RVD says the number one question he fields is: "Why did you quit wrestling?" and he has to explain he's still wrestling and that WWE isn't the only place, it's just the biggest.
TNA's ratings have ranged from 1.5 to 1.0 in the last few years. They have trouble keeping ones that they have, let alone gaining new ones. Casual fans simply can't be into TNA. A casual fan likes the bright lights and the big arenas. Its like music. More people were into the Spice Girls and Miley Cyrus than The Clash. Even thought he latter put out more influential music. Casual fans are more about style than substance. Its why nobody watched ECW but when WWF started doing ECW style storylines with a big time budget the business exploded.

Good wrestling just isnt enough. If it was New Japan would be the biggest promotion in the world.
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TNA's ratings have ranged from 1.5 to 1.0 in the last few years. They have trouble keeping ones that they have, let alone gaining new ones. Casual fans simply can't be into TNA. A casual fan likes the bright lights and the big arenas. Its like music. More people were into the Spice Girls and Miley Cyrus than The Clash. Even thought he latter put out more influential music. Casual fans are more about style than substance. Its why nobody watched ECW but when WWF started doing ECW style storylines with a big time budget the business exploded.

Good wrestling just isnt enough. If it was New Japan would be the biggest promotion in the world.
True, but TNA is still growing. They went from obscure, to tv (FOXSportsNET), to network television (Spike, a station that once carried RAW) over the last decade. I'd like to think they are still adapting and growing.

We saw ROH attempt the same thing, and they went from HDNet back down to no televised events. TNA was fortunate enough to gain a foothold, and while it's a small victory, it's a victory none-the-less.
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True, but TNA is still growing. They went from obscure, to tv (FOXSportsNET), to network television (Spike, a station that once carried RAW) over the last decade. I'd like to think they are still adapting and growing.
They've used up a lot of their card tricks, though. They've tried changing their name, changing the belt, going outside the Impact Zone, changing the writing staff, bringing in Hulk Hogan, going to Monday nights, bringing in Jeff Hardy, pushing the old guys, pushing the young guys. They dont seem to be growing. They were a profitable company in 2009. I dont know what else they can try. The viewership has been at the same level for years.
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