My god, you literally have no idea what the goal of a wrestling match is. Or in fact what telling a story is. Do you realise that Kurt Angle's finisher is the grapevined ankle lock? Notice how nobody ever gets out of it when he locks it in?
That grapevined ankle lock sure is useful when his entire offense is useful when his mainly suplex based offense works on the back leading up to the Angle Slam finisher. Why not just go straight for the ankle if NOBODY gets out? Like cmon, that's poor psychology right there.
Everyone from Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin to Eric Young and Robbie E has tapped out to it. The fans are educated to know once he locks it in, its over. The Angle Slam and the normal ankle lock haven't been his finishers in years. They are nothing but teases and set ups to the real portion of the match.
So how many matches has he finished with the grapevine recently? B/c to me it looks like the normal ankle lock is his go to thing.
Its HILARIOUS that someone is using "3 brainbusters in a row for a 2 count" Austin Aries as an example of someone with a great finisher. Did you see this guy in ROH?
When did Aries use that in TNA? ROH isn't relevant to this argument b/c I'll admit that they overuse finishers but their fans eat that crap up (see Richards/Elgin from this year). Aries 9/10 times gets the pin with the brainbuster. His entire X Division title run more or less consisted of it. Also beating Bobby Roode at Destination X
And James Storm hardly ever wins with a superkick. Actually he hardly ever wins.
Turning Point 2012. What else would he win with?
I dont think it when the person writing hasn't got a clue, so I wont read it.
HAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! OH MY GOD!!!! Kurt Angle? The guy who was one of the best wrestlers in the world in the first 6 months of his debut in the WWF?
His best matches come with better workers like Austin or Taker or Benoit. In his first 6 months he wasn't in charge of structuring his own matches. I already said he's a great natural talent and as long as he's told what to do then yeah he's great.
Like Matt Morgan? Or A-Train? Or a few weeks ago when he wrestled better than anyone on the card with a torn groin? You honestly truly think 12 years of having some of the best matches of the century was just Kurt Angle "having his hand held"? You can't be that dumb.
Please show me these great matches and tell me why they're great. Matt Morgan is atrocious so I really struggle to think they did anything worthwhile. In fact tell me what Kurts best TNA matches are. Surprised you didn't mention the Anderson match since Anderson is terrible and Kurt got him to a slightly above average match.
That is his style. Just like Hogan had a style. Just like Kobashi had a style. Or Flair had a style. You can pick the bones out of every wrestler ever if you really try hard enough. Doesn't make you right.
Yeah it's his style. Davey Richards and the ROH guys (which you had a go at earlier with the Aries comment) use it too and I hate it. I said it might appeal to some but it sure doesn't to me. You can say it's great but it doesn't make you right either. There is no definitive "right" style of wrestling in a subjective sport like wrestling.
Nobody said that. Who said that? The fact he is rated so highly is down to his body of work in the ring, not winning a real sport.
I've heard people say it. They think he's some great amateur wrestler so he has to be good at this too. If we're talking about his body of work then his best is very good, but his worst is absolute trash.
You HONESTLY think that was his only contribution to the match? Again more evidence of you not having a clue what you are talking about.
Okay so what else did he do? AJ played the Face in Peril and Angle was the guy who came in and did the big workover for a pop. He suits that role well since it requires short bursts of INTENSITY.
Bullshit. How it is done makes it different. Because if everyone worked like Shawn Michaels or everyone spoke like CM Punk, that wouldnt make Punk or Michaels special. Wrestling is a business. You must carve your own niche out to be successful. Angle has done this, and his matches speak volumes. He can have matches with everyone from Samoa Joe to shocking workers like Matt Morgan.
I said how it's done is what makes it different?
CM Punk's babyface run works because he's a great seller which babyfaces need when they're getting beaten down. Then he builds his comeback with the neckbreaker, knee to face etc and hitting the GTS. Great workers like Punk, Cena, Rey all know how to sell a workover and get the fans invested in their babyface comeback. Just like great heels like a Finlay know how to keep their offense interested and not just sit in rest holds forever.
Joe works well with Angle, absolutely. He slows him right down. Again, show me a good Angle vs Morgan match.
Because they can't get their babyfaces over.
Sure you could say that. You could also say the crowd in Ohio would also consist of half casuals. TNA hasn't exactly got a giant audience who are going to know who everyone is. It's the same when they came to the UK, most people came for Hogan and Sting, not Bobby Roode or James Storm.
Well dont have him as a heel then. If he is going to outshine your babyfaces, dont have him working as a heel in the main event and making your supposed home grown stars look like dicks.
He got his ass beat and worked a good match in my opinion. I really couldn't care less that some people cheered him. People have been cheering heels for years now.