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Old 12-18-2012, 10:31 AM   #2861 (permalink)
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It should just be a big, badass group. Even Devon looks small next to Gallows/Knox and he's 6'2"/275.

Gallows/Knox/Masters/Bradley/Gaspard.

6'7"/6'6"/6'5"/6'4"/6'7"

I mean, if the group is supposed to be an intimidating biker gang, just make them all giants. I am not intimidated by Wes Brisco and Garrett Bischoff, no matter how many bandanas and leather accessories they're wearing.

The leader can be Spike Dudley for the lulz.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:26 PM   #2862 (permalink)
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I wish this story was just structured better. When it comes to factions, there are always 2-3 questions that have to be answered.

"Who are the members?" and "What do they want?"

You knew who the nWo were and what they wanted a couple months in. Same with the Shield.

Currently at the 6.5 month mark we have neither answer and that is terrible storytelling.

This storyline at this point will never be anything to call friends about but it can be salvaged if they answer a few questions each week.

Voluntarily remove masks to peak suspicions, put a true face to the group, yes I mean a Jarrett or Bischoff, at this point someone like this is needed despite how the internet fans will react.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:12 PM   #2863 (permalink)
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I wish this story was just structured better. When it comes to factions, there are always 2-3 questions that have to be answered.

"Who are the members?" and "What do they want?"

You knew who the nWo were and what they wanted a couple months in. Same with the Shield.

Currently at the 6.5 month mark we have neither answer and that is terrible storytelling
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This storyline at this point will never be anything to call friends about but it can be salvaged if they answer a few questions each week.

Voluntarily remove masks to peak suspicions, put a true face to the group, yes I mean a Jarrett or Bischoff, at this point someone like this is needed despite how the internet fans will react.
I totally agree with this post, especially the bold part. This storylines needs to give some logical answers and do it fast.

Good post!
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:28 PM   #2864 (permalink)
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I totally agree with this post, especially the bold part. This storylines needs to give some logical answers and do it fast.

Good post!
Nope, crash and burn storylines suck. That was the main reason why nexus went to shit.

Sting's crow angle for example worked because of the "suspense" and the pay off. TNA is doing everything right but failing on the most important part, the conclusion.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:42 PM   #2865 (permalink)
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Nope, crash and burn storylines suck. That was the main reason why nexus went to shit.

Sting's crow angle for example worked because of the "suspense" and the pay off. TNA is doing everything right but failing on the most important part, the conclusion.
So you discount my good examples of a faction that works/is working to go for a bad example of sizzle and no steak. With the way you put it you may as well said the Spirit Squad in place of Nexus.

Also, Sting was one man not a faction of nameless, faceless drones.
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I'm one who dislikes storylines which are rushed, but I also dislike storylines which are slow, This is getting ridiculous, This Aces and Eights angle has been going on 7 months nearly, and We are as much in the dark as we were 7 months ago.. I'm bored with the Stable now, I think the only thing that would save it for me at least, is for them to hurry up and Reveal the leader or at least someone Impressive and Interesting in the group. I wouldn't mind AJ Styles in the group, Just something shocking, something to at least TALK about rather than speculate and fantasise for months on end and be no closer to knowing what the hecks going on.. my opinion anyway..
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:14 PM   #2867 (permalink)
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I'm one who dislikes storylines which are rushed, but I also dislike storylines which are slow, This is getting ridiculous, This Aces and Eights angle has been going on 7 months nearly, and We are as much in the dark as we were 7 months ago.. I'm bored with the Stable now, I think the only thing that would save it for me at least, is for them to hurry up and Reveal the leader or at least someone Impressive and Interesting in the group. I wouldn't mind AJ Styles in the group, Just something shocking, something to at least TALK about rather than speculate and fantasise for months on end and be no closer to knowing what the hecks going on.. my opinion anyway..
contradiction in terms much? They've evened out the reveals rather well. Giving time in between...


Besides anything else I've said in this thread how's about this point.. I couldn't care less if they stay in the masks forever. I've seen plenty of masked wrestlers in my time without whining and crying about not knowing who's under the mask.

People seem to be focusing FAR too much on faces and names and not nearly enough on the product. As for the product, all I personally don't like about it thus far is that they've booked them to lose more than a couple times which is bad for a group you're trying to put over as monster heels.. but that's get aroundable. The other thing is that they have to many points where they are down and laid out inside the ring, with tna guys around them.. it doesn't look good to have them just standing there instead of going for the masks like crazy. That's a relatively small thing though, I see worse every 2 minutes on raw.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:28 PM   #2868 (permalink)
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contradiction in terms much?
Uh no, I don't want storylines over in 2 weeks, yet I don't want to wait months and months for something, just something interesting to happen, something concrete to talk about. Its about finding a balance which TNA haven't yet been able to do.
For Example, Bound For Glory, That would've been the right time to reveal the Leader, instead we got Devon.. Just my personal opinion..
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So you discount my good examples of a faction that works/is working to go for a bad example of sizzle and no steak. With the way you put it you may as well said the Spirit Squad in place of Nexus.

Also, Sting was one man not a faction of nameless, faceless drones.
Shield isn't working at all.
Besides doing repeated beatdowns, staring at the ring for too long and getting their asses kicked by ryback. I don't see them as a booking example.


How is spirit squad similar to nexus or aces&eights? Were they ever presented as a dominant stable?

- For the record, I don't like the current situation with aces&eights but that by no means equals WWE doing a good job with whatever.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:25 PM   #2870 (permalink)
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I said Spirit Squad because they were McMahons personal cheerleaders and attack squad. They did random attacks on HBK and HHH, before DX came back.

I'll admit I can't say, or shouldn't speak on the Shield since I don't watch Raw on the regular. But I can say that I know their purpose. They want people to respect the championships like they used to. They are tired of Punk getting no respect just cause you don't like him. And on the other side of the coin, they are tired of popularity contest deciding who gets title shots. They've put Ryback through multiple tables, that's the second biggest babyface on Raw.

Aces and Eights have beaten masses of people up, but as an audience we still have a lot of necessary questions that NEED answers. I don't need them to blow blow their wad but in 6.5 months, all we have to show is Devon, DOC, they can be paid, they have numbers and that's all. The scale isn't balanced as far as good storytelling goes. Suspense goes so far until you end up with the show Lost where half the audience quit several seasons before the show got to the point.
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