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Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

TNA has built up a rather credible lineage for their World Heavyweight title. Starting from the debut of the official TNA title, the following names have held the belt:

Kurt Angle
Sting
Samoa Joe (though he still isn't treated like it)
Mick Foley
AJ Styles
Rob Van Dam
Jeff Hardy
Mr. Anderson
James Storm
Bobby Roode

As much as we often had to suffer through some of these title reigns, in retrospect new fans will only know that some of the best of the business held the TNA World title. A level of credibility has certainly been given to the top prize of their company. Now when a guy like Bobby Roode holds the title for so long it seems a lot more important than had guys like Sting and Mick Foley never held it.

Even the X-Division title has a full back catalog of significant names when it comes to people known for that style. The belt went through a looooong dark period for about four years which certainly hurt it but Austin Aries is helping bring it back to prominence. Because they established the title so well early in its existence Aries will more likely be remembered as an equal to the "pioneers" of the division rather than the people who held the belt recently. Irregardless of booking decisions, when a belt has a long lineage of top talents it only takes one strong champion to make it meaningful again.

And it may seem odd to say given how bad the division has been at times but the Knockouts title has a credible lineage as well. In TNA Gail Kim is a legend and Awesome Kong is going the be a legend in the entirety of the "sport" when it comes down to it. Mickie James and Tara also add a certain level of credibility to the title. Like them or hate them, the Knockouts division isn't a complete joke (even if it is often treated that way).

Given this information, that TNA hasn't done too bad a job of establishing a lineage for their more meaningful titles, is it possible to forget the dark ages of TNA? Or is the stench from so many bad decisions still tainting the people who are trying to pave a new path today? Or are you of the opinion that TNA has always been great and that the very premise of this topic is wrong? I want you know YOUR opinion!
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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

I've never really thought about it like that, and looking at it like that, you are certainly right. Good post. +1

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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

Maybe, Changing the show to a blue style brand still atend on getting use to it not being another
red brand. The show openings kind of suck.
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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

TNA's product right now is kind of boring, I think Foley's title reign was way more entertaining than Roode's. If anything right now is a 'dark age.' The show is kind of dry and ratings are in the shitter.
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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

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TNA has built up a rather credible lineage for their World Heavyweight title. Starting from the debut of the official TNA title, the following names have held the belt:

Kurt Angle
Sting
Samoa Joe (though he still isn't treated like it)
Mick Foley
AJ Styles
Rob Van Dam
Jeff Hardy
Mr. Anderson
James Storm
Bobby Roode

As much as we often had to suffer through some of these title reigns, in retrospect new fans will only know that some of the best of the business held the TNA World title. A level of credibility has certainly been given to the top prize of their company. Now when a guy like Bobby Roode holds the title for so long it seems a lot more important than had guys like Sting and Mick Foley never held it.

Even the X-Division title has a full back catalog of significant names when it comes to people known for that style. The belt went through a looooong dark period for about four years which certainly hurt it but Austin Aries is helping bring it back to prominence. Because they established the title so well early in its existence Aries will more likely be remembered as an equal to the "pioneers" of the division rather than the people who held the belt recently. Irregardless of booking decisions, when a belt has a long lineage of top talents it only takes one strong champion to make it meaningful again.

And it may seem odd to say given how bad the division has been at times but the Knockouts title has a credible lineage as well. In TNA Gail Kim is a legend and Awesome Kong is going the be a legend in the entirety of the "sport" when it comes down to it. Mickie James and Tara also add a certain level of credibility to the title. Like them or hate them, the Knockouts division isn't a complete joke (even if it is often treated that way).

Given this information, that TNA hasn't done too bad a job of establishing a lineage for their more meaningful titles, is it possible to forget the dark ages of TNA? Or is the stench from so many bad decisions still tainting the people who are trying to pave a new path today? Or are you of the opinion that TNA has always been great and that the very premise of this topic is wrong? I want you know YOUR opinion!
IM afriad you are wrong my friend

the match to crown the first champ had CHRIS HARRIS IN IT, HE SHOULD HAVE WON IT, TO SHOW THAT TNA WERE READY TO MOVE INTO THE FUTURE.

this was before he went to WWE and somehow lost everything that made him stand out

half of the men on that list were decades past their prime even then, seemingly limitless lackluster title reigns and average to bad matches

the tna world title doesnt mean jack, no-one belives that it is the prize to get, no-one belives that whoever holds it is the best in the world ALL BECAUSE OF HALF THE MEN ON THAT LIST

TNA had their chance but spent the past 5 years giving it to guys who should have been fed to the likes of Joe Matt Morgan Daniels Hernandez Harris Roode Storm Tomko Anderson Desmond and KAZ

the veterans winning that belt will never be as memeorable or half as good as their WCW WWE title wins or reigns

they were just a desparate attempt to get Impact ratings, symbols of tna's paranoia, lack of guts faith in their own boys pushed aside to go to WWE in spite of guys who were clearly there for the paycheck and nothing more

WHICH when tna goes under, will make a nice segment to the documentary of the botched revival of mainstream wrestling

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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

Not really, during the 90's world titles became less meaningful which lead to today's "hot potato" title runs.

By your logic:
- daniel bryan world title means shit because david arquette won it.
- cm punk wwe title means shit because khali won it and used it upside down.

But that's not the case, people see the now and remember the great... not the epic fails.

ps: And please let's not get into the "ZOMFG! TNA IS GOING TO DIE!1!" argument.



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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

Almost every single one of those reigns besides the first portion of AJ's were terrible.
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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

Three months of mediocrity does not make up for four years of abject hell.

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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

I dont think TNA is better. I find it boring and rarely watch any of it. I often forget its on TV on Thursday nights, and rather watch NBC's crappy Thursday night line up (sans 30 Rock).
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Re: Does the current state of Impact make up for the past?

I'll be the first to admit I rarely watch TNA but I happened to catch this weeks episode and noticed a lot of things were different. They were focusing almost primarily on TNA "home growns" and much less on stars from the past. While I have to agree that the show seemed to lack a certain oomph and was playing it safe in a lot of ways, it's at least a good sign for the future. If they are pushing the talented guys that should be carrying the company into the future then the odds that the product will one day BE good increase significantly.

Roode isn't exactly blowing the roof off the place but he is doing a solid job. You can only do so much when Sting kills the credibility of every segment with his majorly over the top and unbelievable Joker shtick. I was pleasantly surprised to see guys like Joe/Magnus working together and being taken seriously. I was also happy to see Austin Aries being treated like a top guy even though Ion is more creepy than scary.

I'm not really claiming TNA is in some sort of golden era at this point but, for the first time ever really, they are at least building up guys who could lead to one. The show is certainly better than it has been for a long time and seems to have some level of consistency now. I'm personally much happier with a mediocre show that might lead to a better one than seeing the same old mistakes repeated over and over.

I guess when I refer to the "current state" of TNA I'm talking mainly about their star building and moving forward with these guys into the future. TNA is definitely taking a new approach (well...new for them) and it seems to be turning a corner.

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