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**scrilla** · 07-17-2010, 08:50 AM

Now I'm under the impression that Hard Justice is going to be like ECW ONS, maybe it will feature TNA guys, but from everything I've heard it will just be an ECW reunion show. I haven't read spoilers thought so maybe shit changes next week, idk. But given the information presented so far I think this issue needs to be discussed.

First of all has anyone noticed that Hogan and Bischoff, you know the saviors that were supposed to attract instant RATINGS to TNA have headed for the hills? Can you figure out why? Because bi-polar Dixie Carter has obviously handed complete control over to Tommy Dreamer. That's right Colin Delany's tag team partner is now running TNA. Dreamer is now in control of the entire PPV. So you can just imagine all of his over the hill buddies will be on their way to TNA for another paycheck. Now if I'm The Pope or Kurt Angle or AJ Styles or Ken Anderson or Jeff Hardy, now I'm going to lose money because I won't be on that PPV. I mean come on, if TNA did this on Impact to try and generate RATINGZ, which is apparently more important to them than PPV's anyway then I guess I would be alright with it, but a whole 3 hour PPV? Rather than advancing your storylines heading into their WrestleMania is just a couple of months. Now instead of having 2 PPV's to build up to your show, you have one.

Now here is my question. Who really still gives a shit about ECW? I mean really, obviously not enough to be profitable or the profit driven WWE wouldn't have dropped that shit like a hot potato after milking it dry. I mean ECW was the LAND of the smarks, but you go online now where all the smarks remain and guess what? Hardly anyone cares. The people that actually had positive shit to say about the ECW angle in the 20+ page thread on here, were IN the minority. How is that even possible

This is the internet where the 90's/Attitude Era/ECW was supposedly godly, yet still hardly anyone cared. Besides if anyone really does still give a fuck about ECW they are probably already TNA fans. I know they sure as hell aren't watching the shit that WWE puts on TV month after month, that's more like the anti-ECW.

So what great matches are we gonna get? The Dudleyz vs. Axl and Balls? Raven vs. Tommy Dreamer, 15 years later? Are we gonna get RVD vs. Jerry Lynn? (I'm sure that will sell some PPVs) I mean honestly, Lynn and RVD had a great series in ECW, but redoing it in 2010.. yeah I think I'll pass. I think I'd rather watch a car crash. Besides to top it all off, TNA doesn't even own the footage to properly build these reunion feuds. You can't even hype the damn PPV.

If I'm a guy in the back that has busted my ass for TNA for years or months, whatever it may be, to get to the current place it's at, and then have Dixie say you guys aren't good enough, we need these over the hill guys to generate buys it would basically be a big fat spit in the face. What the fuck is Dixie Carter thinking? Oh nvm she doesn't think, stupid question. Is there even a plan for this or is it just show up and try and sell a few PPVs with no effort and basically just mooching off shit that happened 15 years ago?

Face it, lightning doesn't strike twice. In the mid-90's, ECW was edgy and innovative. It was something rare and unseen, but this is the computer age now. You can watch the highlights of ECW on youtube for FREE. Between reality TV, Jerry Springer and South Park there really isn't anything that jaw dropping that ECW can bring to the climate in 2010. Look at it at face value. ECW is a company that died in 2001. How many companies come back after being dead for 10 years and make an impact? Do you expect Sega to come back and make a killer gaming console after being in it's grave for a decade? This is an entity that Vince McMahon the ultimate businessman didn't want anymore. And TNA being the vultures that they are, hovering over Titan Towers waiting for anything the WWE lets go of, swooped down and steal another idea/talent that WWE has discarded. This is not going to be a success. If it was a success and a money grabber, Vince would still be doing ECW reunion shows. Vince took a name, that TNA doesn't own and can't use that he bought for cheap, and milked it. Once that cow was dry, Vince sluaghtered it. And even with the nostalgia that this PPV could generate, the matches? Don't get me started. Dreamer is gonna have a good match? Sandman is gonna have a good match? Raven is gonna have a good match? I don't believe it. Every match is just going to be blood and guts and some SPOTZ, completely overdone IMO.

TNA has actually been good for the last couple months, Impact wise, PPVs are another story IMO, but then for them to all of the sudden throw this shit out. I know all the supporters are saying "OMGz ITS NOT AN INVASION" well maybe they should have gone the invasion route instead of giving them a whole PPV. Seriously, TNA can't get any more confusing and senseless than it has been rendered after Thursday night.

Now if I'm reading into this wrong and it's going to still be a TNA PPV with the ECW guys intergrated into a match or two, maybe this will be all right. But in all honesty, how many of those guys are still relevant? Not that it matters because from all the reports I've seen it's going to be a reunion show and that is going to be quite an ugly one at that.

So can a Dixie apologist please explain the strategy? Why throw away a PPV, 2 months prior to what is supposed to be your biggest show of the year? You now have 1 PPV to build up your WrestleMania! What is the reason you want to see this when you can watch the GOOD ECW on youtube? What main event is going to draw people? Is there any beacon of light for this PPV? Are you really gonna drop $30 for this shit?

I ain't even trollin, I'm just being honest. Enjoy your 200 PPV buys TNA.

Klebold · 07-17-2010, 08:53 AM

You need to chill out with all of these 'TNA SUCKS!!' threads already.

ECW One Night Stand did a great PPV buy for WWE, so what's the harm in TNA trying?

**scrilla** · 07-17-2010, 08:55 AM

You obviously didn't the post. I extensively discussed the problems with it.

Klebold · 07-17-2010, 08:57 AM

Extensively bashing is still bashing. Doing it one thread after another, albeit 'extensive', is still bashing.

Jerry Lynn vs RVD could be a great match, even if it's '15 years later' as you suggested. Lynn is in ROH though and I am not even sure if he'll be a part of this.

If the rumours are true that TNA isn't doing well in PPV buys then what's the harm in trying out a formula that did really well for WWE? None of the ECW guys have gotten particularly worse since One Night Stand and they can definately put on good hardcore matches.

**KingCrash** · 07-17-2010, 08:59 AM

They're not doing Lynn/RVD, they're doing RVD/Abyss, which as a main event would suck no matter what else is on the card. Factor in the ECW guys in matches and this looks like a two match show, which I can't justify spending $30 on.

And yes, the ECW guys have gotten worse since ONS. We saw Dreamer suck in WWE, Raven & Stevie suck last year, and the last time Rhino was on tv he wasn't that good in that feud with 3D.

**scrilla** · 07-17-2010, 09:00 AM

@kle It's warranted if you read the post you would understand, unless you have some serious tunnel vision. Throwing away one of the two PPVs that are building up to your "WrestleMania" is senseless. You're basically giving a finger to the rest of your employees that have been busting their asses for TNA for the last years/months to get TNA to where it is right now, taking away their paycheck.

This is a flawed concept that WWE already threw away for a reason, but the TNA vultures snatched it up just like the rest of the crap they snatch up from WWE's graveyard.

PauseMenuNotWanted · 07-17-2010, 09:03 AM

Dreamer is only in control of the ECW storyline. Vince Russo will most likely be writing the PPV, which'll mean that it's going to suck as hard as the other PPVs.

The way I see it, WWE fucked up on ECW by continually watering it down until it was nothing more than WWE's C show. If it's "one last night", then it's okay.

The only real concern that I have with this PPV is that it's taking place in that horrible shithole known as the Impact Zone. The crowd was dead at the end of Victory Road. And obviously, the Impact Zone will be the same as the Impact shows themselves. I doubt they'd change the rope colours for this one. Now if the ramp got obliterated at the end of Hard Justice...

**TripleG** · 07-17-2010, 09:05 AM

I already did an entire thread talking about this, but the problem with reviving ECW is that here we are again. We're rehashing the 90s. ECW has had its run, its nostalgia show, and even its full fledged return (that sucked, but still). And to be honest, its death wasn't even a decade ago, so its not even like it had been gone for that long when WWE brought it back in 2005 & 2006.

How many times is wrestling (WWE & TNA) going to go keep going back to the well of the 90s? It feels like no one even wants to try and do anything fresh & exciting because they still have all these old ideas to fall back on. I know Cornette has talked about the 7 year cycle, but that doesn't apply here because for that system to work there has to be a long period of time for the angle's absence and new talents & circumstances being used when the idea is reworked. But no, this is just straight up rehashing over and over again.

JordanPippen23 · 07-17-2010, 09:27 AM

LMAO OP copied all of this shit from what 2 guys said on a youtube wrestling show.

Watch like the first 10 minutes of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kJJD0jGBAM

He literially copied everything and almost word for word.

luther349 · 07-17-2010, 09:27 AM

that manly due to the 90s and wcw making so much noise. that was the high point for wrestling they never where able to get back. and probably never will. you had the nwo and wwe attitude era. storylines that where well done and completely insane. then nwo and wcw whent under and wwe didn't really care anymore none to compete. and it just went downhill from there. tna comes along grabs tons of awesome talent but keep the same guy that drove the death-nail into wcw on there staff.yes im talking to you russo. so they are no thret to wwe so wwe has no reason to up the anti on there story's or ditching the pg rating etc.

fire russo give eric the power he needs and i bet tna will start making some noise. hide jerrit and dixi in some do noting ceo job to get them essentially out of power as well. why get rid of them jerrit is a cancer and dixi knows nothing abought wrestling.