Originally Posted by Theproof
Every time I read one of Crabtree's posts I want to puke. Does this clown not realize that every fan of wrestling does not have the same mindset as him?
I think you'll find that I'm the one embracing a different mindset and you're the one who's intolerant of anything that isn't the most simplistic, lazy excuse for "entertainment" imaginable. It's really not my problem if you struggle to keep up with people like me.
Originally Posted by Foleyfan1
Do you not get that tons of people like stuff you don't like? And a lot of people don't really care about the stuff you like? Wrestling is a entertainment show and the promos are what sell the matches. Nobody cares just about two guys in the ring jumping around. Other wise you would see ROH doing well or the guys in TNA who can really go, being actual draws. The fans have to care about the wrestlers and like the wrestlers to care about what they are doing in the ring. The promos are part of what makes that happen. In mainstream wrestling, the quality of actual matches are far less important then you think. The Foley/Flair match was a huge success and got big ratings(highest rating a male wrestling match as gotten on a Thursday Impact in over a year) by TNA standards, THATS EMBARRASSIN? So I guess a awful lot of people disagree with you that it's the lowest form of wrestling life. Thats only your opinion, and while I don't know you. From these comments you sound like just another smark who takes wrestling too seriously, and acts like it's a art or sport or something silly like that. When it's really just a entertainment show, with who's good being the people that draw the best. So like it or not, but those two decrepit men who were bleeding all over the place, just out draw everybody(two weeks in a row actually).
- You won't see "ROH doing well", in the context that you mean, because ROH isn't a corporation that happens to put on occasional wrestling shows. ROH is actually the comfortable leader, in its own market - that being promoting professional wrestling for its own end, rather than to help attract customers towards an energy drink or a theme park (for example). Its wrestling by wrestling fans, for wrestling fans.
- What does shouting about stuff that happened four years ago, in the WWE, have to do with a Figure Four Leglock, a DDT, or any other wrestling storytelling device? Its just nonsense. It's filler that's being used to make up for a lack of actual content. People only accept it because they don't think that they have any other choice. It's not a case of people actively "liking stuff". It's a case of people not making the effort to inform themselves of the possible alternatives, which allows the lazy writers to keep feeding their catatonic audience this mindless shit.
- As far as "drawing" goes, some of us have enough of an attention span and enough foresight to see that Foley vs. Flair is a terrible long term investment. No one gets more over due to this feud, they only become less
valuable. The fans don't get anything they haven't seen before. You can even watch better
Foley and Flair matches on youtube. If TNA had have booked a more original product, over the past few years, then their ratings could be twice as high as they are now. Programming fans to think that the stars of the 90s are still the biggest deal in wrestling isn't going to help anyone. All it achieves is to keep Vince Russo in his comfort zone.
- This "drawing" issue is even more true when you take into account these guys' ridiculous salaries. Beer Money, for a random example, have given TNA much more value for money than Flair, Hogan and co. ever will.
- Finally, popularity has never been a gauge of quality. Most people aren't very intelligent. So, in order to gain mainstream popularity, you have to present something that's either: bland (for families) or trashy (for teenagers). TNA's product is usually a big clusterfuck of the two, despite the fact that it will never be truly mainstream anyway. This why I can't empathise with anyone who likes it. I find it insulting. I don't get the point of its existence. It's, seemingly, just there to squeeze some more dregs of money out of WWE kidz. TNA is the wrestling equivalent of Rola Cola. I feel sorry for anyone who's naive enough to allow themselves to be convinced that it's "The Real Thing".
- Oh and...even if popularity is a good measuring stick for quality, Samoa Joe's title win drew TNA's biggest ever PPV buyrate IIRC. TNA have never been able to recreate that since. Despite the "best roster in the world", the "surprises" and all the rest of it. That is just proof, to me, that TNA's target audience should have always been the more serious, discerning wrestling fan. Trying to beat WWE by running a WWF tribute show is, needless to say, a completely retarded idea and, as a "smark", I feel embarrassed for all involved.