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Old 09-13-2009, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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September 20, 2009

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Samoa Joe vs. Daniels Singles match for the TNA X Division Championship

ODB vs. Cody Deaner Intergender match for the vacant TNA Women's Knockout Championship

Kevin Nash vs. Abyss $50,000 Bounty Challenge for the TNA Legends Championship; if Nash wins, he will claim the $50,000 bounty from Dr. Stevie, while if Abyss wins he claims the Legends Championship.

Rhino vs. Bobby Lashley Singles match

Kurt Angle vs. Matt Morgan vs. A.J. Styles vs. Sting Four-Way match for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship

Beer Money, Inc. (James Storm and Robert Roode) vs. Team 3D (Brother Devon and Brother Ray) vs. The Main Event Mafia (Booker T and Scott Steiner) vs. The British Invasion (Brutus Magnus and Doug Williams) Lethal Lockdown

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Old 09-13-2009, 04:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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For a B-PPV cards looks good so far

Either Daniels/Joe or Lethal Lockdown could be MOTN
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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this ppv looks ok could be a lot better and thats a bad thing especially since its the final ppv before tnas wrestlemania bound for glory.odb vs cody deaner what signaficance does this match have and its gonna be crap and a joke towards the knockouts title and division..bobby lashley vs rhyno will be squash city and not a very good one.kevin nash vs abyss will probably be boring or ok.the 4-way main event i see being very good.samoa joe vs christopher daniels will be very good to amazing.and lethal lockdown shouldnt be happening it should be a tag team gauntlet elimination match, lethal lockdown is supposed to only happen at lockdown why is it happening here it will be good maybe but still.overall this is not a card to get excited over not a good final ppv before bfg i will say and makes u wonder how bfg is gonna be!
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one match (ODB vs Deaner) cant ruin a whole PPV

Khali vs Kane svcked at Summerslam but the PPV was good overall
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I cant wait for this show im excited to see Bobby Lashleys in ring return against Rhino it should be very interesting and so should the Fatal 4 Way match for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.
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I diden't know Abyss vs Nash was for the Legends title But judgeing by spoilers for next week I assume Nash will end up retaining anyway!.

Is the Lethal Lockdown tag match for any of the tag titles??.
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The way Rhino turned heel and they did that segment with him attacking Lashley at a gym then by spoilers for next week..I doubt there match will be total squash!.
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Thoughts on the NS Card:

TNA KNOCKOUT CHAMPIONSHIP
ODB vs. Cody Deaner
- This is a bullshit match. You have one stale novelty act in ODB, an unfunny comedy act in Deaner, & they are fighting for a title that represents a division that is stacked. There is no reason for it. I'll pick ODB to win, but I don't really care. I just hope Tara or Kong wins the title on Impact heading into BFG, because I think that needs to be the BFG match.

TNA KNOCKOUT TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT FINALS
Sarita & Taylor Wilde/Awesome Kong & Raisha Saeed vs. The Beautiful People/Tara & Christy Hemme
- I think its safe to say that the right teams to go with are Taylor/Sarita & The BP for the finals. Unfortunately, the loss of Angelina will kind of let the steam out of that situation. However, the debut of a new title is always something worth checking out & I think it'll add something to the undercard. With Angelina gone, I think the only option to win the tag titles are Sarita & Taylor Wilde.

FORMER PARTNERS COLLIDE
Hernandez vs. Homicide w/World Elite
- I don't know what match its going to be exactly, but obviously they are going to do something with Hernandez taking on The World Elite, Eric Young & Homicide being the most likely opponents. Again, I think the situation is very good, and I think it'll be a cool match to have on the show. Who will go over? Hard to say. Normally I would say give it to the heel, but I think they want Hernandez to look strong, so I'll pick Super Mex to win via DQ thanks to interference from the rest of The World Elite.

TNA LEGENDS CHAMPIONSHIP: TITLE VS. $50,000 BOUNTY
"Big Sexy" Kevin Nash (c) vs. "The Monster" Abyss
- I think the situation involving these two, Dr. Stevie, & Mick Foley will eventually lead to a Monster's Ball for the Legends Title at Bound for Glory. To that end, this match serves as a nice to way to build towards that. However, I'm not expecting too much out of this. Nash isn't what he used to be, & Abyss is almost as big as he is, so I don't see them meshing well. Nash will win, probably due to some kind of miscommunication between Foley & Abyss, and that'll be your Monster's Ball.

LASHLEY'S PPV DEBUT
"The Boss" Bobby Lashley vs. "The War Machine" Rhino
- First of all, if Lashley's loses this match, that would be a huge mistake. Lashley all the way for the win. I also think its a good idea to sell the PPV on his debut because it'll make him seem like a bigger deal. I don't expect much more than a squash here, but it'll serve its purpose.

X DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP
"The Samoan Submission Machine" Samoa Joe (c) vs. Daniels
- This is definitely the highest profile X Title match in a long time, and it serves as a nice flashback to the high point of the X Division in 2005-2006. I expect this to be designed to be one of the better matches on the show, and its between two guys that work very well with each other, so it'll be something to look forward to. Again, I don't expect a title change here as Samoa Joe will most likely walk out with the X Title.

TNA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP: LETHAL LOCKDOWN MATCH
Booker T & Scott Steiner (c) vs. Team 3D vs. The British Invasion vs. Beer Money Inc
- Whoa! What a wild match this is going to be. Now they haven't said if the tag titles will be on the line, but I imagine they would have to be in a match like this. This could be a major showstealer considering who is involved and the structure of the match. Again, I think the smart thing to do would be to have The Mafia go into BFG with a majority the belts and then lose them all there, so I expect Booker & Steiner to retain here.

TNA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP: FATAL FOUR WAY MATCH
Kurt Angle (c) vs. "The Icon" Sting vs. "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles vs. "The Blueprint" Matt Morgan
- I love this main event. Its perfect for a PPV like No Surrender that comes right before the biggest PPV of the year, and it showcases both their established veterans and their future at the same time. Now of all the title matches on this show, I think this one actually has the greatest chance of a title change. If the rumors are true, and the current direction seems good, and the main event for BFG is AJ vs. Sting for the gold, then one of them has to win the title here. If Angle wins, I'll be sick because he just shouldn't be carrying the belt at this point. Not after that last incident. I am going to pick Sting to win the gold, and then drop it to AJ at BFG.

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I am more pumped for this PPV than I have been in a very long time.

Samoa Joe vs. Daniels Singles match for the TNA X Division Championship:

Fuck yes, I've been waiting for this one since Joe turned heel. Should be a fantastic match and I'm hoping it will lead into something else interesting at BFG. Joe is insanely dominant here but I would love the added dynamic of Daniels taking Joe's title away, just to see the Nation of Violence in full force. I will go for Joe to win this one on the assumption that they have a rematch at BFG where Daniels takes the gold from the Mafia.

ODB vs. Cody Deaner Intergender match for the vacant TNA Women's Knockout Championship:

It's really sad that this match has to take place on a PPV this good, but I suppose every good PPV needs a bathroom break. I am however mildly amused by The Deaner and I think he has potential in an Andy Kaufman sort of way (though obviously as a comedy wrestler). ODB better get the win here and I'd like to see a Three-way at BFG between ODB/Tara/Kong.

Kevin Nash vs. Abyss $50,000 Bounty Challenge for the TNA Legends Championship; if Nash wins, he will claim the $50,000 bounty from Dr. Stevie, while if Abyss wins he claims the Legends Championship:

As sad as it is to admit, I am kind of a fan of Nash. People complain about how terrible he is in the ring, but I don't think that actually has much to do with age. Nash has never been great in the ring but he is a great character. I often think Big Kev isn't given enough credit for the amount of effort he actually puts in. He looks to be in the best shape since Diesel. Abyss however, is mediocre in matches where weapons are not involved. It sure as hell won't be match of the night, but it'll be solid. Kev goes over here.

Rhino vs. Bobby Lashley Singles match:

I've always been hard on TNA for throwing away debut matches on iMPACT! because it lessens the impact that the acquired superstar will have on TNA. Gladly, they've been making a big deal out of Lashley (I prefer 'God of Thunder' to 'The Boss') and FINALLY they've turned Rhino heel and livened up his stale character. It'll be a pretty good match but Lashley is going over, no questions asked.

Kurt Angle vs. Matt Morgan vs. A.J. Styles vs. Sting Four-Way match for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship

Damn this match is going to be good. I don't remember the last time I was this excited for a Heavyweight Title match (actually I do, Lockdown 2008, Joe V Angle). Matt Morgan has turned me into a big fan of his over the past few episodes of iMPACT! and it'll be an interesting dynamic having Morgan and Angle in the same ring, as opponents. I think the finish is going to be something along the lines of Morgan costing Angle the belt which is going to AJ. AJ having the belt makes the most sense here as then he goes in to BFG and takes on Sting. AJ will get a huge credibility boost if he is able to walk in to BFG as champ and then hand the Stinger his first loss at the event as well as retain the title.

Beer Money, Inc. (James Storm and Robert Roode) vs. Team 3D (Brother Devon and Brother Ray) vs. The Main Event Mafia (Booker T and Scott Steiner) vs. The British Invasion (Brutus Magnus and Doug Williams) Lethal Lockdown:

This is going to be a spotfest and I am going to love every second of it. Interesting that they would hold Lethal Lockdown at No Surrender but I suppose it is forgiven since it's a Four Tag Team Lethal Lockdown. I expect that the TNA Tag Titles will be on the line in this one with the Main Event Mafia pulling out a win in controversial fashion, setting up a Tag Title match against Beer Money at BFG when the homegrown talent goes over.

Overall, I think this PPV will do a fantastic job of building to BFG as it plants the seed of doubt in the Mafia's mind. If they book it in such a way that the Mafia is only just able to scrape out with most of their titles in tact it allows Kurt to be paranoid that the Mafia is losing it's grip only to be completely vanquished at BFG. As a side note, I know that to a lot of people, this entire MEM storyline has not been fun for them, but I challenge anyone to say that it wasn't a success. In the past year, TNA have built back up Joe, AJ, and Daniels, and have turned homegrown talent such as Eric Young, The British Invasion, Hernandez, and Matt Morgan into legitimate and credible superstars. TNA has succeeded where WCW failed and has legitimately created new stars.
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Samoa Joe vs. Daniels is going to steal the show without question.
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