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Originally Posted by villiano
Heyman isn't the end all, be all. He's solid but he's a nostalgic act, viewed through the eyes of people who only saw ECW after its death and lamented the fact that they didn't see it sooner.
Heyman's skill is taking what should be the worst in a wrestler and turning it into a strength. Guys like Sabu and Sandman weren't gimmicks, those are who those guys truly are--he embelished a bit, found ways to make them sympathetic/hated, and threw 'em out there for a crowd hungry for something different than the cartoony images of WWF and WCW.
As for the real question, of course Carter is clueless. If she wasn't, she would have taken over for Jarrett long ago since he's clueless. TNA's booking committee is terrible. Russo? Mantell? Jarrett? Abyss? Gilberti? Not that I think I or any internet fantasy booker could do any better because everyone has an agenda but when TNA employs the likes of Jim Cornette and Mike Tenay and uses neither to book (Tenay would do well with the X division and his record in TNA of booking the X division backs up that sentiment: Joe/AJ/Daniels = Tenay, Kaz/Sabin/Shane (though I loath Shane)=Tenay)) is beyond dumb. Mantell has never been even a passable booker anywhere he's been. Abyss only books garbage brawls--and terrible brawls at that. Jarrett is best when he's making business deals with NJPW, CMLL, AAA, et. al. and not booking, wrestling, etc. He has a mind for the business and that mind is doing what Shane McMahon does for WWE: securing business ventures to better your product's image and strengthen its international ties/image.
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I disagree that Heyman is only a nostalgia act. Yes most people do associate his name with the ECW product but he also had great success with the Smackdown product. As the Smackdown six era was the highpoint of Smackdown as a brand from a creative/wrestling standpoint and Smackdown for a time had better ratings than Raw. The OVW product also got rave reviews under Heyman's time there.
I do agree with your take on Dutch Mantell. I've never liked him, I remember hearing once he told Alex Shelley his Euro style wasn't working and he needed a speed it up. Fuck you Dutch, god forbid we have someone who's different and special and stands out. Some say Dutch was a good booker in Peurto Rico well guess what we're not in Peurto Rico because here Dutch sucks.
And I also agree with your take on Tenay and Jarrett. Jarrett's strength has never been actually booking. His dad may have been a good booker but him not so much. It's like thinking Erik Watts would be a good booker because his dad was Bill Watts. Jarrett should focus on making the big deals and getting TNA's name out there
As for Mike Tenay, you could always hear it in his voice he had such a passion for the X Division, he could be nothing but a benefit on creative. And I didn't completely hate Michael Shane, I thought he was a good talent, he just became a bit of a prick late in his TNA run. Throwing tatrums at Bound For Glory 05 for the X in the Ultimate X falling down and almost getting into a locker room fight with Alex Shelley for the finish in their Final Resolution 06 tag match not going exactly right. Grow up or Alex Shelley will get you down and skull fuck you. By the way, that move is awesome.
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Originally Posted by delpihero
lets see some wild story lines, lets have kevin nash be the booker he talks a big game and thinks he can solve any problem.
when Hayman revived ECW it was shit, he was heel and had his armed guards around him, that had to be the crapest show on TV he had no tallent to work with but the story lines sucked royal.
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I don't think you could really blame Heyman for the problems the new ECW had. As I'm sure Heyman was constantly interfered with by the likes of Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon.
I remember hearing stories of Rodney Mack and Jazz not being on TV because Dunn didn't like they're look. Despite the fact they had each both been on WWE television before.
And remember that Strip poker episode of ECW, that wasn't a Heyman idea.
How Kevin Dunn still has a job and even just got promoted is beyond me. He ruined the Invasion because he didn't think Sports Entertainment vs. Traditional wrestling would work, brought us the horror of the Raw Diva search, and who knows what other shitty ideas, although I am happy Maria is on my TV.
But back to my point maybe it was just because Heyman was involved, so I was able to convince myself it was good but I thought the first 6 months of the new ECW wasn't that bad.
For me some of the highlights were:
Big Show's title win (The audience's reaction to Heyman's heel turn was just awesome), Ariel, Sabu's chasing of Big Show and the ECW title, The MSG debut (That entire show just felt special), The Hammerstein Ball Room show when the audience crapped all over Batista-Big Show, RVD-Hardcore Holly Extreme Rules, RVD-Test Extreme rules, Hardcore Holly's short lived face run.
As for your backing of Kevin Nash, your right in interviews you do always hear him saying the right things in terms of what people want to see and again I didn't feel creatively Nash was all that bad in WCW. He had good ideas he just let his ego get in the way, by holding down some of the younger talent and keeping the top spots for himself and his friends. Unless he just never felt Benoit, Raven, Jericho, Malenko, and Guerrero could be top of the card players and He, Hogan, Savage, and Sid was where the money was.
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