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Proving my point that you are not a fan of TNA of old, but a fan of TNA of new. Both companies don't focus much on young guys? That's all TNA WAS before Sting hit the building, then the watergate broke loose on has-beens jumping ship. The funny thing about it is, TNA was doing as well ratings-wise without these guys as they are WITH them. Which also proves my point that they don't NEED to be doing this. They'd probably be even MORE successful now with what they were doing, which was establishing their own talent. You damn Noobie.

Those guys haven't lost a step. How long have you really watched those guys. Cause I watched the Steiner Bros back when they won the NWA tag titles from the Midnight express, and then had the belts renamed to the wcw world tag titles. I can tell you one thing, Steiner hasn't lost one step since then, he's lost about 10 steps.

Booker T never lost a step because he never had much of one. But he was 10x more entertaining in Harlem Heat than he ever was meant to be again. He cuts a solid promo. But great wrestler he is not. He was marketed well by WCW and that's why he became a successful singles wrestler. Anybody can be established if you market them correctly. I'm sure your a big WWE fan too, and I bet you love Cena and Batista. Well these guys a simply products of marketing a gimmick. All they are all they will be. Neither is a great wrestler, or even a good one. Booker is no different, SUCKA

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MDeJ

Kip James recently put over Matt Morgan.
Sting is hardly as 'has been'(you need to rethink your definition of that term by the way). The guy is a pro wrestling legend and his matches are very good. I particularly loved his title match with Kurt Angle. And a feud with champion Samoa Joe would is a must.

Now think back, think back real hard...three years ago...where was all the young talent that is on top of TNA right now? I'm talking about...

Robert Roode (a top heel for sure)
Gail Kim (top knockout wrestler and first knockout champion)
Samoa Joe (TNA heavy weight champion)
Jay Lethal (long time XDivision champion and very charismatic now days)
LAX (top tag team and current tag team champions again)
Awesome Kong, ODB, Beautiful People, (face it, TNA has the best roster of women wrestlers on tv now)
AJStyles & Tomko (top tag team and TNA has used Tomko millions way better than WWE ever used him)
James Storm (great wrestler and TNA is slowly pushing him)

Who did Kurt Angle go after when he came into TNA? That's right, one of TNA's young talents...Samoa Joe.

Who did Booker T feud with when he came into TNA? That's right, one of TNA's young heels Robert Roode.

Who has Sting put over in his current TNA tenure? Guys like Abyss, Christian, Kurt Angle, Christopher Daniels and James Storm.

You need to rethink things dude.

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poison the well

They're current level of success is equivlent to their level of success before the big names made the jump. Making you incorrect.

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Wait, you're whole point in this topic is that I didn't watch TNA before 2005? I thought your point was that old = suck.


That's not an indicator of what's wrong with TNA, that's an indicator of Spike TV once AGAIN failing to promote wrestling at any other times then when wrestling was actually on. Spike's promotion failures was a major reason that ECW died, a minor reason RAW's been dropping in the ratings over the years it was there. It's why RAW moved back to the USA network. TNA's gotten similar ratings as they did on Fox Sports Net. The thing is, the Russo tactics that may have worked for a quick ratings boost in 2000 don't work anymore.


You're telling me nothing I don't already know. However, I have no influence backstage in TNA, so it's rather pointless to do so.

I joined this forum an entire year before you did and you're calling ME a n00b? Lmao, nice try imbecile.


I've watched wrestling only since 2004, but I've gone back and watched my fair share of older stuff. Scotty Steiner never moved around much, back in the day he was a tag specialist so he only had to work half a match. Nowadays he moves just as slowly, but gets impressive results out of it? Did you watch Sacrifice? He WAS the main event. Joe continues to become softer and less interesting and Kazarian was just out of his league.


A minute ago you were talking about Booker T as having lost steps in the ring and now you're going on about his entertainment value? It's like you can't decide what to make your argument about. Your arguments have more holes in them then a hanging chad. I take it that maybe you have forgotten that Booker T also wrestled TWO awesome best of 7 series against Chris Benoit. Booker can get down and dirty and wrestle. In your words, Booker became a good wrestler because he was marketed well? That's horseshit. Booker became a good wrestler because he learned how to wrestle. Ever since he's gotten to TNA, he's been all about putting people over as well. Robert Roode's been a real beneficiary of this attitude.


The old saying goes "assuming makes an ass out of you and me." That's only half true in this case. I have NEVER been a John Cena fan (I don't like rap at all and I think he's as generic as one can be in the ring). I marked for Batista one time, in 2005 when he turned on Triple H and put him through a table. That was in my dumb mark days, but still then I marked more because I hated Triple H than loved Batista. Booker T, however, is a good wrestler, a good but not great speaker, and hasn't diminished at all since leaving WWE. Now can you dig that?

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Complety right....