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Re: Official TNA DVD Help/Discussion/Review Thread

Turning Point 2009


1) TNA X-Division Championship:
Amazing Red(c) vs Homicide ~ ***


2) TNA Knockouts & TNA Knockouts Tag Team Championships:
ODB(c), Taylor Wilde(c), & Sarita(c) vs The Beautiful People ~ 1/2*


3) TNA Tag Team Championships - Three Way Match:
British Invasion(c) vs Motor City Machine Guns vs Beer Money ~ ***1/4


4) Steel Cage Match:
Awesome Kong vs Tara ~ *1/4


5) Team 3D & Rhino vs Shawn Hernandez, Matt Morgan, & D'Angelo Dinero ~ *3/4


6) Falls Count Anywhere Match:
Scott Steiner vs Bobby Lashley ~ 1/2*


7) Kurt Angle vs Desmond Wolfe ~ ***1/2


8) TNA World Heavyweight Championship - Three Way Match:
AJ Styles(c) vs Christopher Daniels vs Samoa Joe ~ ****



The norm for quite a bit of TNA shows: half was good, half was meh. Still, pretty solid show at the end of the day, thanks to the main event and Wolfe being brilliant. No DUDs helped. Luckily the Beautiful People had capable opponents to make sure the match wasn't a total bust.

Best part of Angle/Wolfe was that they changed up the finish. Ankle lock into a snap transition of the cross arm breaker -> triangle choke to get the win. It was fresh. It wasn't omg ankle lock and he submits Kurt wins again bs. They actually made Kurt have to change things up to topple Wolfe. Smart move. Loved that.

What can you say about the main event. Those 3 together is always gonna work. They changed it up from the other 2 rematches (not counting Ultimate X as that was worked different considering the gimmick). TNA seemed to forget that these 3 worked vs each other at Against All Odds 2006 since they kept referring to the the main event as "a rematch 4 years in the making." Lolz. Ok.

Looking forward to Final Resolution. Guns vs Brits, Angle vs Wolfe 3 Degrees of Pain, & Styles vs Daniels. Oh yeah. Can't lie, I think I might be a sucker for the Foley/Abyss vs Raven/Steven match too. FOLEY

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Wolfe/Angle series is something I wanna watch again but I already have a crapload of stuff backlogged to watch over christmas. FINALLY have some free time after this weekend actually. Turning Point > Final Resolution imo but I think I'm one of few who thinks that.


I also refuse to believe Scott Steiner and Lashley had a match any lower than ****

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Dave Meltzer's BFG Ratings
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RVD v Zema Ion - **
Samoa Joe v Magnus - **3/4
James Storm v Bobby Roode - ***1/2
Joey Ryan v Al Snow - *
3 Way Tag - ****
Tara v Assmacher - *
Bully&Sting v A&8 - *3/4
Hardy v Aries - ****
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Holy shit @ the tag being anywhere near better than the street fight. Or even close to level with Hardy/Aries. Then again I suppose he gave Angle/Hardy No Surrender ****1/2 so different strokes.

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Dave Meltzer's BFG Ratings
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RVD v Zema Ion - **
Samoa Joe v Magnus - **3/4
James Storm v Bobby Roode - ***1/2
Joey Ryan v Al Snow - *
3 Way Tag - ****
Tara v Assmacher - *
Bully&Sting v A&8 - *3/4
Hardy v Aries - ****
How are Roode/Storm and Aces and 8's/TNA so low? :hhh

The street fight was fantastic and the tag match was tons of fun.

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Wolfe/Angle series is something I wanna watch again but I already have a crapload of stuff backlogged to watch over christmas. FINALLY have some free time after this weekend actually. Turning Point > Final Resolution imo but I think I'm one of few who thinks that.


I also refuse to believe Scott Steiner and Lashley had a match any lower than ****
Almost popped in Final Resolution tonight. Went with Slammiversary 2007 instead. (Sabin )

Well, STEINER was top notch. As was his promos + tights w/Kristal Lashley on it. Lashley blows. I blame him for that match being blah. 100%

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Dave Meltzer's BFG Ratings
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RVD v Zema Ion - **
Samoa Joe v Magnus - **3/4
James Storm v Bobby Roode - ***1/2
Joey Ryan v Al Snow - *
3 Way Tag - ****
Tara v Assmacher - *
Bully&Sting v A&8 - *3/4
Hardy v Aries - ****
lololol. Good 'ol Meltzer marking for Angle matches again. NO WAY that tag team championship match was better than the Street Fight.

Rest of his thoughts are pretty identical to mine. Minus the main event. I seemed to be the only guy who thought it was only "good" opposed to "great".

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The pair of Turning Point and Final Resolution 2009 was like the last gasp of greatness from TNA before Hogan came in. I even remember the chant during Styles/Daniels/Joe: "who needs Hogan?"

While I do think they're both a bit over-rated, I realize it's because BFG that year was such a letdown, and quite a few TNA PPVs in 2009 were poor. The triple main event at TP was amazing. Lashley/Steiner was a lot of fun, Angle/Wolfe really was crisp. It was fresh, innovative, exciting, and unexpected. The 3-way was an instant classic, and worthy of the 2005 original.

FR is a bigger, but not better, follow up. Almost all the rematches have stips, but the matches are still quite good.


As for Meltzer's ratings, even I'm surprised. Storm/Roode was at least ***3/4, no way the 3-way tag was better, least of all ****, though I perfectly agree with his rating for the main event.

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Maybe Hardy/Aries will grow on me more after an eventual third watch.

Watched some more random matches last night for fun/maybe add to the Top 20 TNA Matches List:


Victory Road 2007 - Ultimate X Gauntlet Match:
Christopher Daniels vs Senshi vs Frankie Kazarian vs Jay Lethal vs Petey Williams vs Homicide vs Sonjay Dutt vs Elix Skipper vs Shark Boy vs Puma ~ ***1/2


No Surrender 2007:
Christian Cage vs Samoa Joe ~ ***1/2


Lockdown 2008 - Cuffed in the Cage:
Motor City Machine Guns vs LAX vs Frankie Kazarian/Eric Young vs Lance Hoyt/Jimmy Rave vs Scott Steiner/Petey Williams vs Black Reign/Rellik ~ DUD


Lockdown 2008 - Lethal Lockdown:
Christian Cage, Sting, Kevin Nash, Rhino, & Matt Morgan vs AJ Styles, Travis Tomko, Brother Ray, Brother Devon, & James Storm ~ ***3/4


Lockdown 2008 - TNA World Heavyweight Championship - Career vs Title:
Kurt Angle(c) vs Samoa Joe ~ ***3/4


Lockdown 2010 - Falls Count Anywhere Steel Cage Match:
Team 3D vs Kevin Nash & Scott Hall ~ *


Sacrifice 2010 - TNA Tag Team Championship:
Kevin Nash/Scott Hall(c) vs Ink Inc. ~ DUD



~ Ultimate X Gauntlet was a a bit of a perplexing gimmick. Good match at the end of the day, but why have a match where people can be eliminated until the final man enters? Wouldn't a massive 10 person Ultimate X just as been effective? Or a Gauntlet portion to where it comes down to the final 4, then those 4 climb the X? Idk. It was fun. X-Division goodness. Kazarian's ace cutter spot on Daniels is still indescribable. Underwhelming formation of XXX too. In case people forgot.

~ Christian/Joe had a nice development to it. Christian destroyed those dancers that accompany Joe to the ring on certain occasions so he's pissed. Begins the match by rolling though Christian with punches, face wash, going around ring side tossing him around. Christian eventually gets the upper hand and then it becomes one good back and forth competition. It did lose some of the intensity that it started with during the thick of the match, which I was less than happy about. At least it came back into the finish. Joe was relentless with wanting to choke out Christian. Christian makes it to the ropes and he refuses to let go several time. Gets fed up with the ref and takes him out. Leads to a DQ finish. I had no problems with it. In fact, it goes well with that storyline. Keeps Christian undefeated until Bound for Glory. So, it all worked out for the best.

~ Cuffed in the Cage, lmao. That's one of the most braindead gimmicks I've ever seen. Randomly stuck 6 tag teams in that one ring, people were caged to the wall to cut off areas to work in, and yeah it was a random mess. It had a few fun spots. Young dove off the cage, flux capacitor is always boss, and the best part was Hoyt's MASSIVE chokeslam/launch to Kazarian from the top rope. It was actually pretty awesome. Crowd went ape for the match. That made me laugh. But, at least they got into it. That beats a dead crowd no matter how stupid a gimmick is. SUPER ERIC was so over too. lmao.

~ Lethal Lockdown was it's usual goodness. Not the best one, but quality. Wished the final part would have lasted longer, however. Didn't get enough use of the weapons to be incorporated. Storm's selling of the Gore is always

~ Angle vs Joe. Really darn good. I don't hold it in the esteem that I know other wrestling fans do. That doesn't take away from the fact that I did like it. The MMA incorporation changed up the match in comparison to their past 4 at the time. That alone was the best part. Always keeping it fresh. That's key. Finish was a bit unexpected. The whole match and finishing sequence is all about winning via submission then Joe out of nowhere wins with the Muscle Buster. Maybe that's only a personal gripe. Clearly nothing against the Muscle Buster. It's legit. Felt odd that they would be so fixated on one aspect of the match only to end it in a fashion that was seemingly irrelevant to the story.

~ 3D vs Band was a guilty pleasure match. Regardless of what the snowflake says, I was into it. Pure nostalgia.

~ The Band brawling with 3D worked for me. Trying to have a semi-competitive match with Shannon Moore & Jesse Neal? No thanks. Hall didn't try and that alone was the sole reason for my problem with the match.


Might as well go and find the rest of Lockdown 2008 since I watched the double main event. Rest of the matches are so short that I'm sure I can slam through it in no time. Do I really want to put myself through the torture of the rest of the event? I do have Unbreakable, Bound For Glory 2006 & 2007, Final Resolution 2009, and some others to watch instead...

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I think the Xscape match is kinda fun but the rest not so much. Unbreakable/Final Resolution seem the more appealing options, imo.


I really like Cage/Tomko lethal lockdown, tbh. At least I think it's one of the better lethal lockdowns.. I might go see how many of them I can remember and rank them. 2011's one is awesome for FLAIR solely


Also I've got a bit of time free tonight, any reccommendations from 07-09? That feels like the period of tna im most rusty with in terms of matches.

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~ 3D vs Band was a guilty pleasure match. Regardless of what the snowflake says, I was into it. Pure nostalgia.
This match was awesome. Not in the terms of quality (snowflakes), but the entertainment value was HIGH!
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