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Well I'll definitely attempt to watch all the matches for my top 100 list, and I'll write about as much of them as I can, so I'm sure I could post whatever I write about them here too . Here's what I wrote about AJ/Joe:

AJ Vs Joe - Turning Point 05

Yeah, this is still fucking awesome. I remembered loving it a hell of a lot in the past, but I didn't remember much of the actual match. So I was kinda expecting to see MOVES~! for the most part, which would have disappointed me, but I was extremely surprised when the match not only held up and didn't have MOVES~! for 25 minutes, but actually ended up getting a higher rating from me .

Simple enough backstory, Joe is undefeated an the new big thing in the X-Division. The X-Division is all about competition, and has a sort of code (like ROH's code of honour), but Joe broke the code and wants to destroy everyone in his path and make the title a trophy rather than a symbol of being the better athlete. Along the way, he takes out Daniels, and out of disrespect, comes out to the ring with a towel around his neck that had some of Daniels' blood on it. AJ, being the X-Division champion, stands up to Joe for Daniels and the rest of the X-Division, even if he doesn't like some of the other guys. This is beyond friends and enemies, this is about respect and about competition, and about someone ignoring all of that and going into business for himself.

AJ starts the match by taking the fight straight to Joe. Joe has crossed the line, and AJ, being the leader of the division feels that it is his job to take care of Joe, and he does a great job early on of doing this. Joe, the big bad Samoan Bulldozer.. wait, wrong Samoan... Samoan Submission Machine is reeling, and the fans believe that AJ had a chance. Until Joe fights back. Then its ALL Joe.

Not big elaborate spots, so crazy bullshit, just Joe kicking and beating the living FUCK out of AJ. I miss this Joe . I also miss this AJ, you know, when he would sell a beating and not go MOVES~! crazy just for the hell of it?

Joe gives AJ one hell of a fucking beating, and AJ keeps from getting pinned, and makes the occasional comeback, but its largely just Joe on a killing spree. When AJ DOES finally comeback, its pretty great, and he continues to sell the beating he took. The crowd get into the match even more as it looks like AJ might actually be able to topple Joe, but in the end, the Samoan Submission Machine is able to lock in the reverse chokehold and forces the valiant champion (now former) to pass out because he just can't take any more.

Joe then teasing respect for AJ at the end and clocking him with the title belt is great too. As is Daniels' return, which builds up to another great TNA match I love.

Rating: ****3/4
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So I was browsing through TV last night and came across a show called TNA: Greatest Matches. Essentially in an hour they went through 3 Kurt Angle matches from 08/09. Wouldn't exactly call them some of the "greatest" matches but here's my thoughts regardless:

Angle v Abyss (Falls Count Anywhere) - Turning Point 2008.
Opening salvo is good. Commentary focuses on Angle running from Abyss, which reflects in the first few minutes with Kurt doing whatever he can to avoid Abyss charging after him. Angle then uses the ref and tries to jump him, doing a small bit of ankle work too before Abyss overpowers him and hits a shock treatment which gets a nearfall and Kurt runs into the crowd. Crowd segment feels a bit short as Abyss throws him back over, Kurt then brings a chair into play, hits him a couple times on the back (Tenay mentions how Abyss badly burnt it at BFG, wouldn't have been able to guess given he's walking fine) before Kurt then jumps off the stage and hits Abyss with a FLIP!~! Then it cuts to a break and comes back with an Angle slam which gets a two count. Then Abyss punches a chair into Angle face (his burnt back being fine after that Angle slam too btw) before wedging the chair between the ropes. Kurt does another 5 seconds of kneework before abyss throws him into the chair and hits a chokeslam. Don West throws a fit that Kurt kicks out before abyss lays the chair on Kurt and goes up to the top rope. Then Kurt dodges, gets up, hits Abyss with the chair this time and puts the chair on abyss and hits the MOONSAULT for another nearfall. This is just getting predictable. Abyss tries to hit a tombstone and Kurt goes for the ankle lock on the ankle he's spent a total of about 8 seconds working on. Shockingly Abyss kicks out and then hits a black hole slam out of nowhere. Then we actually get the first nearfall that is kind of a shock and for the first time Kurt doesn't get straight back up, actually tries to crawl away then runs through the crowd off to the Spanish announce desk (wonder what spot is coming now ) and starts climbing some scaffolding but gets caught, Abyss tries to gorilla press him through the table before Kurt hits a EUROPEAN UPPERCUT through the table for the three count. Amusing how a match which focused mainly on big move after big move ends with an uppercut (albeit through a table) but eh, a decent enough FCA match I guess. ***-***1/4


Angle vs Jarrett (SUPER GRUDGE MATCH) - Genesis 2009.

Oh man this isn't just a grudge match; it’s a super grudge match. Jarrett starts laying into Angle right from the beginning, pure aggression in the punches before throwing him into turnbuckles like a ragdoll and Kurt tries to slow it down with a sleeper before taking a low blow and electric chair drop. Jarrett just does whatever he can to embarrass Kurt and him throwing beer in his face was quite amusing. Kurt turns it around soon after and starts smashing Jeff off the steps and then slows the pace down with rest holds to counter Jarrett's earlier fast paced aggression. Jarrett sends Angle over the top rope which looks painful before Jeff does his best Taker impression and dives over the ropes himself (which looks hilarious). Jarrett's busted open not long after this from a ring bell shot but gets back in control before Kurt hits the ANGLE SLAM off the top of the stage through a table. Then it cuts back and they're both in the ring, Kurt goes for a chair and gets it dropkicked into his face before Jarrett hits the stroke for a two count and Kurt hits one of the worst top rope dropkicks I’ve ever seen before hitting ANOTHER ANGLE SLAM which gets another two count. Kurt goes for the ankle lock even though he's done no work to it but gets rejected and thrown shoulder first into the ring post. Jarrett then goes for the guitar and gets a low blow from Kurt, who takes the guitar for himself but changes his mind and takes a chair instead, hitting Jeff straight in the head and OMFG ANOTHER NEARFALL. Then he goes for the Ankle lock (still can't remember any work on the ankle prior to this) but Jeff seems to be in unbearable pain and counters it into a roll up. Kurt goes for a THIRD ANGLE SLAM but Jeff hits a DDT and goes back to the guitar but its broke so limps (holy selling) to the chair instead and nails Kurt in the head and has to crawl over to pin him before Kurt gets TEH ROLL UP out of nowhere for the win and Jeff looks distraught. I really liked everything Jeff did here, his emotions were done well and I found it easy to root for him. Would've liked Jeff to pick up the win to get his retribution but oh well. ***3/4

Angle v Jarrett v Foley v Styles v Joe - KOTM Match - Slammiversary 2009

Match starts with Joe in a Red Wings jersey assaulting Angle in a Penguins jersey which sends Joe into the penalty box and letting Angle be able to go for the belt. AJ/Jarrett then work over Angle together while Foley is just chilling on a ladder outside. Styles and Jarrett then take turns trying to pin Kurt but can't put him away. Foley then gets himself pinned on purpose to hide in the pen box and Jarrett can go for the belt when he gets out he attempts to go for Joe and ends up getting choked out instead. Angle tries to finally go for the belt and then Joe starts cleaning house with the ladder. Cuts to a break and comes back with Jarrett hitting Joe with a stroke, Angle hitting Jarrett with an Angle slam and then Foley hitting Angle with an elbow off the penalty box. Everyone seems pretty dead about now and Foleys plan to sit back looks like it might be paying off. Foley climbs the belt and doesn’t see AJ come from nowhere and kicks Foley off. Styles and Joe then start teaming up to work on Foley and Styles takes him out with a senton over the ropes and pins Foley so everyone is able to go for the belt now. Everyone except Foley who is in the box scrambles for the ladder now but the belt falls off and Joe/Styles finally turn on each other since they're the only two left standing. Foley is still sat in the box biding his time while the rest are laid out in the ring. Jarrett starts brawling with Foley on the outside while AJ stops Joe just before he can hang the belt before trying to scramble up himself and you can see how desperate everyone is now to try and get up. AJ tries to whip Joe against the ropes but Joe suicide dives through onto Jarrett/Foley and hits the Styles Clash on Kurt. Crowd is willing AJ on but Joe runs in and powerbombs AJ at the last second. Then as he's about to win for himself Kurt runs up to stop Joe and Joe ends up just passing the belt to Kurt to pick up the win. It's a nice twist to go from Joe hating Angle and siding with AJ and just fooling everyone through the entire match. Match itself wasn't that great though, although it wasn't BAD at the same time. Just feels kind of...there. I did like Foley and the finishing stretch though. ***1/2

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Just watched Samoa Joe Vs AJ Styles - TNA Sacrifice 08/14/2005. It's not quite as good as their Turning Point match, but its still DAMN good and worth a NOMINATION for sure. I'll be throwing it a vote for sure, don't see it dropping from my list since atm its fairly high. You don't have the story of AJ wanting to take Joe down as revenge for Daniels, but you still have the story of AJ wanting to be the first guy to simply take down Joe, and they do a great job telling that story in the match. Joe looks vicious, and AJ bumps like a freak and looks tremendous on offence when he's trying anything he can to beat Joe. Nigel like Lariat nearly fucking MURDERS AJ, and it was cool as fuck to see the rolling cradle too lol (by AJ, not Joe). Gave TP ****3/4, and I'd give this ****1/4. The added story of AJ defending Daniels' honour and the honour of the X-Division in general helps TP be the better match, but not by that much tbh. Give it a watch, everyone.
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I love that Sacrifice 05 show as a whole, rewatched it not long ago. Sacrifice 07 is a pretty great show too, two of my favourite TNA PPVs.


I found a DL link for the unbreakable 3 way dance earlier, so I'll be giving that another watch tomorrow probably. Excited since its been a while since I last saw it

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Just got done watching TNA Turning Point 2004. I thought it was a very fun PPV, I liked seeing some faces that didn't wrestle regularly during that time on the PPV (Johnny B. Bad/DDP). I thought the whole cookie gate thing was pretty stupid and the crowd really didn't care for this anti-WWE bs either..
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Caught the Wolfe/Angle mini-series again.

TP 09 - ***3/4

FR 09 - ****

Very entertaining matches, even if the first fall in the three stages of pain felt a bit flat it picked up well. Kurt's selling of his arm in the TP match felt a bit selective at times too but Wolfe was awesome in both of these. I've been on a bit of a Nigel kick lately

Btw for anyone in the UK Extreme Sports (channel 419 on Sky) are showing TNA: Greatest matches every night @ 11pm which is where I caught this. I've watched like 3 eps this week and its sorta hit and miss but enjoyable at the same time. Don't think the next one is till tuesday but then its every night for the rest of next week too after that for anyone who cares.

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Re-watched Bound for Glory 2009 yesterday, still as disappointing as it was when it first aired. Credit due, the buildup was amazing. The storylines had reasons, momentum, they developed well, and it felt like TNA was really finally treating the show like a supercard-four main events, two of which (Foley/Abyss, and Styles/Sting) were legitimate dream matches, and I loved how the show seemed like it was going to be versatile - Ultimate X, TLC, Power/Submission wrestling, Hardcore, and just pure wrestling.

And then the show started. You'll see a consistent theme throughout the night. UX is a typically hot opener. Then, while they remove the trusses, they proceed to interview BOTH teams for the upcoming KO tag title match. They needed to kill time. I get that. If that's the case, put on a bigger match second, show a buildup video of the match (like the legends title), instead of SIX minutes of promos for what turned out to be a THREE minute match. Fail.

The Legends Title match was exactly what it was supposed to be. It would have been nice for Nash's shoulders were actually on the mat while the ref pinned. They were clearly up, which was an awkward ending for a solid match. The KO title, again, was going fine, until an inexplicable interaction between Tara and an MMA lady. TNA just doesn't know how to do simple. Instead of letting the match just go, ALL momentum is stopped dead for this, so as soon as the match gets good, it stops dead in its tracks, the crowd is confused, and the ending is flat.

Full Metal Mayhem was solid, but building up the Dudleys having all this TLC experience is fine only if the match is going to be sick. To me, it was just kind of there. Nothing spectacular, really. Having the match be for two seperate titles was odd, as 3D grabs the IWGP belts, and the match continues without any fanfare. So so.

Joe/Lashley was going well: power moves, logical submission attempts, the crowd getting hot for Joe, and then it ended out of nowhere. I'm going to say this: Samoa Joe losing a submission match in EIGHT minutes in disgraceful. The ref tried to play it off like Joe had passed out, but it had barely been a few seconds. At least in Austin/Bret, it was an eternity before Shamrock realized Austin was done. This really felt like half a match.

Abyss/Foley was pure garbage wrestling. The spots were too familiar, the tazer business is utter wrestlecrap, and Abyss using Stevie's hand for the 3 count was anticlimactic. Once again, another match with an awkward ending.

Angle/Morgan is very good, but clearly a carry job. Morgan just stinks in the ring, I could see why his push slowed after this. But that probably has more to do with the TNA idiots than with Morgan himself. I liked the david/goliath here, especially with Angle as the heel. Shame they never did a rematch.

Styles/Sting had an amazing build. The amazing moment of Styles winning the world title, the possible resentment that Sting handed him the win, the fact that Sting had remotivated Styles in the first place. This was a main event. The exchanges were crisp, exciting. Sting played a power game, Styles played his speed. This was building up to be an amazing main event, and then it ended. The crowd was as quiet for a divas match after watching Hulk Hogan or The Undertaker. This never unfolded. It spent all that build, to just end. They didn;t "earn" the right to go home. Maybe Sting was gassed, but this match always bothers me, because just as it starts to pick up, it's over.

And that's the problem with this show. Nothing really went into third gear. UX was typically awesome, but that was the opener. Joe/Lashley and Styles/Sting ended out of nowhere, Abyss/Foley was awkward, and nothing ever came close to feeling big.

On paper, this could have been the greatest TNA ppv of all time. And incidentally, this show reminds me a lot of WM XXVI: great on paper, bland, tepid execution. I wanted to like this show so much, and I still do, but somehow I think TNA bit off more than they could chew. They should have given the show an extra hour, 5-10 more minutes for Joe/Lashley, Abyss/Foley, and especially for Styles/Sting, and this could have been a great show.

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1. Triple-Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship: Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - WrestleMania XX

2. Career Threatening Match: Shawn Michaels vs. Ric Flair - WrestleMania XXIV

3. WWE Championship: John Cena vs. CM Punk - Money in the Bank 2011

4. No Holds Barred Match: The Undertaker vs. Triple H - WrestleMania XXVII

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AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels vs Samoa Joe - Unbreakable 2005


Fuck this match is brilliant, or should I say Phenominal (bad pun ahoy). But seriously. From the pretty great opening package and first few minutes you get an idea of what everyone in this match wants but the overall story just seems like a constant game of oneupsmanship between all three in order to prove who really is the best. Daniels comes into it just after becoming the longest reigning X Division champ ever at the time and is just a really good cocky prick who wants to add the undefeated Joe to his list of people who he's beaten. Joe comes into it as the new undefeated monster in the X Division who after winning the Super X cup has only one thing left to do and that's beat the champion and then you have AJ who got put into the match despite losing to Joe in the super X cup final albeit due to interference by Daniels and he clearly wants to prove he deserves to be in this match and that he's better than the other two. Plus if he wins it's his 5th X Division title, how cool for him.

Opening few minutes is awesome, with AJ and Joe taking turns to kick Daniels (who sells it brilliantly) before Daniels gets tired and jumps to his feet shouting at them to stop it before getting hit with a high and low for his troubles. Then with him out of the picture the other two just begin to lay into each other with Joe's power vs AJ's speed being an awesome dynamic and the difference in offense is clearly noticable when AJ is attacking Daniels instead of Joe because they're such different opponents and its the ever changing offense between the three which totally keeps this fresh. Every time one of them is looking to get on top too someone else will come out of nowhere and blindside them so it's almost as if its non stop when actually there's usually one guy laid out selling someones offense.

The MOVES!~ in this match are awesome too, not just spots for the sake of spots but every time they're done it looks awesome. Joe doing a spinning plancha is fucking superb and one of my favourite things in this match, plus it just shows how they're pulling out all the stops just to get the win in this. Same with AJ doing a torture rack to Joe or Daniels hitting Joe with a DVD, they just look so sick and impressive since its a case of Joe flying or those two showing real power to pick Joe up.

The nearfalls in this are all believable here and not overused in the slightest which is great. The times that they kicked out at two were just so tense and actually left me thinking as to what it would take for this to end, not that I wanted it to since I was having a blast watching it.

The crowd are totally adoring it too and I think that really helps with the finish too, it was a nice surprise for me too since I'd actually got the winner of this match mixed up so when it did occur it kinda shocked me.

This is a totally fantastic X Division match though. Not too spotty, tells a great story and all three guys come out of it looking awesome. Not my favourite TNA match (AMW/XXX and maybe Joe/Styles TP edges it, I'd have to give the TP match another watch) but its still easily one of my favourite matches ever, not just in TNA.
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NWA-TNA - Weekly PPV - 23/6/04

1. NWA-TNA Tag Team Titles
Nosawa & Miyamoto vs America's Most Wanted
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2. Mini Pierroth vs Mascarita Sagrada
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Watched a couple Lethal Lockdowns since I got bored.

Team Angle (MEM) vs Team Jarrett - ***
Team Hogan vs Team Flair - **1/2

Bleh, I need to find last years match/ team Cage vs team Tomko to remind me of good Lethal Lockdowns. Finish to Hogan/Flair still pisses me off to no end.

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