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Old 06-07-2010, 12:05 AM   #4731 (permalink)
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Finished AAO 10' last night. Very disappointing show imo. Wolfe/Pope was MOTN, AJ/Joe was such a disappointment, Joe just isn't what he used to be. Nasty Boys/Team 3D, really? what a shit "match", Angle/Ken was ok, having Ken/Pope as the main event was stupid imo, but isn't too big of a deal, and that match sucked, and went wayyy to long, so boring. Other matches on the card were meh at best.
I have to disagree. Maybe I'm looking at the event from a rose-tinted windows, but I remember being generally surprised at how much I enjoyed it, and surprised that I enjoyed on second and third viewings.

What I liked about it was that it created a real sense of importance throughout the night. It almost reminded me of Bound for Glory 2005, how there was no number one contender, there was uncertainty over who it would be, and then the battle royal at the end of the night to determine who would face Jarrett in the next match.

Here, the announcers and the matches really made it seem like winning this tournament was important as winning the royal rumble.

I also think the matches were all solid. What worked for me was how evenly matched everything was. Pope/Wolfe were mirrors of each other in term of size, strength, and speed, and they had a fast-paced opener, Morgan/Hernandez was a classic big man/big man match, Anderson/Angle was a nice little sleeper (they're also perfectly matched), and Foley/Abyss was a solid nodq match. There was a nice balance of star power and athleticism in the tournament.

Nasty Boys/3D was a "dream" match to me. The Nastys were one of my favorite teams when I was a kid and always wanted to see them again. Should the match be happening in 2010? Nope. At the latest it should have happened in 2003-2005. It wasn't a great match or even a good one, but it was still fun to see. Do newer wrestling fans even know they are? Probably not. But I'm still glad it happened.

As for the semi-finals, it was perfect. Pope and Anderson both had to deal with monsters in Morgan and Abyss is solid david/goliath matches.

Styles/Joe was definitely the least of their matches, but it was also a breathe of fresh air. We had seen Monster Joe vs. babyface Styles, we had seen chickenshit heel Styles vs. Monster face Joe, but we had never seen cocky heel Styles vs...just Joe. The Joe character had certainly fallen by the time this match occurred, but it was pretty much just filler anyway. I understand the bitching about the interference and special ref. Bischoff's involvement was ridiculously unneeded.

When I first read that the main event of a TNA PPV was Ken Kennedy vs. Elijah Burke, I was in shock. I think that might have been the lowest-card main event since maybe Randy Orton vs. Ric Flair at Taboo Tuesday (good match, but it should have never been the main event).

Then I actually saw the match. Hall and Waltman attacked Pope before hand. Anderson was all over it. It really felt like they were staging a huge comeback and a great feel-good moment. The match itself was solid, and and even more amazing that both guys had two other solid matches earlier in the night.

By the time Pope won, it was a feel-good moment, and I was absolutely shocked at how much I agreed with it being the main event. Styles/Joe afterwards would have been anticlimactic. The show was about the tournament, from beginning to end, and it worked pefectly.

But that's just me.
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Love that TNA seem to be restoking the 05 PPVs can't wait to pick up unbreakable.
I'm not so thrilled. I have Unbreakable on DVD and it's still sealed. Would have sold it pretty soon if it wasn't back in stock. No big loss though.

Just finished watching Turning Point 09 and I have to say that I really liked the show a lot. AJ/Daniels/Joe and Wolfe/Angle were both great matches and most of the undercard matches were solid as well. Really surprised at how much I liked Red/Homicide as I'm not a huge fan of either guy.

Some star ratings

Red/Homicide ***1/4
Wolfe/Angle ***3/4-****
AJ/Daniels/Joe ****1/4-****1/2

Don't know too well about any of the other matches. It took me a long time to see the show and the opener is someone still fresh in my mind as are the main events as I just finished watching them.

This show alone wouldn't have been a bad deal at $15 but this really is a great set with 2 more shows that I still have to watch.

I'm looking forward to AAO the most. I've heard a lot of contrasting views on whether or not it was a good show. I do like shows that are themed around one central story so I'm hoping that I will able to get into the tournament, and a lot of the matches in it look very intriguing.

I also refuse to believe that AJ and Joe had a bad match together.
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I have to disagree. Maybe I'm looking at the event from a rose-tinted windows, but I remember being generally surprised at how much I enjoyed it, and surprised that I enjoyed on second and third viewings.

What I liked about it was that it created a real sense of importance throughout the night. It almost reminded me of Bound for Glory 2005, how there was no number one contender, there was uncertainty over who it would be, and then the battle royal at the end of the night to determine who would face Jarrett in the next match.

Here, the announcers and the matches really made it seem like winning this tournament was important as winning the royal rumble.

I also think the matches were all solid. What worked for me was how evenly matched everything was. Pope/Wolfe were mirrors of each other in term of size, strength, and speed, and they had a fast-paced opener, Morgan/Hernandez was a classic big man/big man match, Anderson/Angle was a nice little sleeper (they're also perfectly matched), and Foley/Abyss was a solid nodq match. There was a nice balance of star power and athleticism in the tournament.

Nasty Boys/3D was a "dream" match to me. The Nastys were one of my favorite teams when I was a kid and always wanted to see them again. Should the match be happening in 2010? Nope. At the latest it should have happened in 2003-2005. It wasn't a great match or even a good one, but it was still fun to see. Do newer wrestling fans even know they are? Probably not. But I'm still glad it happened.

As for the semi-finals, it was perfect. Pope and Anderson both had to deal with monsters in Morgan and Abyss is solid david/goliath matches.

Styles/Joe was definitely the least of their matches, but it was also a breathe of fresh air. We had seen Monster Joe vs. babyface Styles, we had seen chickenshit heel Styles vs. Monster face Joe, but we had never seen cocky heel Styles vs...just Joe. The Joe character had certainly fallen by the time this match occurred, but it was pretty much just filler anyway. I understand the bitching about the interference and special ref. Bischoff's involvement was ridiculously unneeded.

When I first read that the main event of a TNA PPV was Ken Kennedy vs. Elijah Burke, I was in shock. I think that might have been the lowest-card main event since maybe Randy Orton vs. Ric Flair at Taboo Tuesday (good match, but it should have never been the main event).

Then I actually saw the match. Hall and Waltman attacked Pope before hand. Anderson was all over it. It really felt like they were staging a huge comeback and a great feel-good moment. The match itself was solid, and and even more amazing that both guys had two other solid matches earlier in the night.

By the time Pope won, it was a feel-good moment, and I was absolutely shocked at how much I agreed with it being the main event. Styles/Joe afterwards would have been anticlimactic. The show was about the tournament, from beginning to end, and it worked pefectly.

But that's just me.
Good review, and while I respect your points, and even agree with a few of them, I was still disappointed. Was it a complete shit show? No, I don't believe it was, I would say underwhelming. Joe/AJ wasn't bad, it was underwhelming. I was hoping to see the stiffness from Joe, and the speed he once had, and just all out destroy AJ. Especially after all the build-up of Joe basically saying thats what he was going to do, but it wasn't the case in the match. Seemed like it went on too long, I just couldn't get into it.
As for Ken/Pope, it was dumb to have Ken make the ref start a 10 count in hope of winning, then to run out of the ring, thus breaking the count, to attack an already downed Pope who wouldn't have made it to the ring anyway. He did this numerous times, why even get the ref to count in the beginning like its a big deal, just to break the count repeatedly? Then for the majority its just Ken kicking and punching a downed Pope for what seems like an eternity, picks up slightly towards the end. Also wasn't a fan of how Pope after having 2 previous matches, a pre match beatdown, and almost 10-15mins of a beatdown by Anderson, then at the end running full speed off the ropes hitting Ken with his finisher (can't remember the name). It's just a minor gripe, and I did enjoy the show, but it was underwhelming. I can sit through a show and enjoy it regardless of the show is really bad, and this wasn't a bad show, but it was easily my least favorite of the pack.

To TaylorFitz, let me know how you like AJ/Daniels from FR. As for AJ/Joe having a bad match, as stated, I wouldn't call it bad, but I was underwhelmed.

You say you have Unbreakable still sealed, would you perhaps have No Surrender 05, and would you be willing to sell? I see your in NY, so we're both in the states, I've been looking for a copy.
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Yeah, the one thing I definitely did not like the about all of Pope's matches in the tournament was that we won them the EXACT SAME WAY. All three times an opponent ran towards Pope in the corner, Pope moved out of the way, then ran towards and hit his finisher.

It made no sense for Morgan and Anderson to attempt to run towards Pope in the corner, knowing that it was his finisher and that it already worked that night.

It was fine for Pope to beat Wolfe with it, but it would have told a better story if Morgan and Anderson had smartened up to Pope, and Pope had to attempt other ways of winning (rollup, victory roll, small package, his codebreaker). Just think about how Bret Hart had three matches at King of the Ring 1993, and they were all different matches with different endings.
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Agreed. It also seemed as if he completely "forgot" he had 2 tough matches, and a huge beatdown. Just took me out of it. Still think the Pope/Ken match lasted way too long. I really enjoyed Pope/Wolfe though. Both have pretty good chemistry and I'd love to see them have a good feud.

I started VR 08 last night, the X cup opener was awesome, great showing from all the teams, really got the crowd going. Love/Gail wasn't bad either, and damn Love's ass is awesome. Gonna finish the show today.
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Agreed. It also seemed as if he completely "forgot" he had 2 tough matches, and a huge beatdown. Just took me out of it. Still think the Pope/Ken match lasted way too long. I really enjoyed Pope/Wolfe though. Both have pretty good chemistry and I'd love to see them have a good feud.

I started VR 08 last night, the X cup opener was awesome, great showing from all the teams, really got the crowd going. Love/Gail wasn't bad either, and damn Love's ass is awesome. Gonna finish the show today.
Freakin' love that opener. Ultimate X is ok on that show but no where near the best, nice to have someone different win the X-Cup too. :P The Full Metal Mayhem match was insane, I loved it, especially Christians dive off the X-Structure, the the whole way he tucks his arms behind his back and trusts his opponent to completely catch him. Really enjoyed the pairing of Angle and 3-D, odd but effective.
Joe/Booker wasn't all that great, more of a way of starting Sting's heel turn. Great show though.
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Good to hear the rest of the show is pretty decent. Love the shows that are held outside of Orlando, so much better.
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Mr. Anderson vs Kurt Angle:

Against All Odds *** (short and sweet; Anderson's heel tactics made this match)

Destination X ***1/2 (fuck the crowd, I really like mat wrestling)

Ladder Match ***1/4 (brutal TV war, another short 'n sweet duel; it gets some extra points for great finish)

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AJ/Joe Turning Point 2005 **** - ****1/4, better than the one at Sacrifice, there were several moves that looked sloppy and weak, like AJ's reversal DDT on Joe, and the style clash on Joe, and AJ hulking up was stupid(well he didnt exactly hulked up but you know what I mean).

Once again, announce table and crowd carried the match.
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Can anyone tell me if there is a Best Of Amazing Red dvd? I have a friend who swears there is and i've seen one mentioned on some websites but I can't find any actual evidence that a Red dvd was ever released. Thanks.
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