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Old 08-10-2008, 02:26 AM   #1421 (permalink)
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And like Triple G said I also think Kurt vs Cage SSoS fits somewhere in the Top 10, I'd take MCMG/Speed Muscle out just because it was such a short match. With a longer match they'd be Top 5 easily!
I wouldn't say that is a good reason to take the match out.

A short match can be just as good if not better then what some long matches try to do. I'd say for the length of Speed Muscle vs. MCMG match and what the teams did out there. It was one of the best Impact matches that I've watched for the year thus far and I could understand why Taroostyles might of put it up on his.
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Old 08-10-2008, 05:41 AM   #1422 (permalink)
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Now, I liked Angle/Cage at Final Resolution better than Against All Odds, but maybe that's just me.
Finally someone who feels the same way I do. I have both at **** but I liked FR more also.

My TNA Top 10
1. VR Opener - ****1/4 (#10 in my overall MOTY list)
2. Angle vs. Joe (LD) - ****
3. Full Metal Mayhem (VR) - ****
4. Angle vs. Cage (FR) - ****
5. Angle vs. Cage (AAO) - ****
6. Angle vs. Styles (SLAM) - ***3/4
7. Kaz vs. Williams (SLAM) - ***3/4
8. Lethal Lockdown - ***3/4
9. Gail vs. Kong (FR) - ***3/4
10. X Division KOTM (I) - ***1/2

Other contenders off the top of my head in no order (rating of ***1/2):
Gail vs. Kong vs. ODB (DX)
Joe vs. Steiner vs. Kaz (SAC)
Angle vs. Cage (SSoS Match)
MCMG vs. Speed Muscle (I)

I also have 3 Motor City Machine Gun matches at ****1/2, ****1/2 and **** respectively, but those are in different promotions. If you want to see MCMG in their element and with their full potential I suggest you find those matches. They truly are the best tag team on Earth.
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I also have 3 Motor City Machine Gun matches at ****1/2, ****1/2 and **** respectively, but those are in different promotions. If you want to see MCMG in their element and with their full potential I suggest you find those matches. They truly are the best tag team on Earth.
Um, I reckon you mean their matches in ROH against Briscoes and aotf but which match is the third?
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Actually I was talking about thier match on 1/1 in ZERO1-MAX. I'm sure the Team Work match will be ****+ too.
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Now, I liked Angle/Cage at Final Resolution better than Against All Odds, but maybe that's just me.

I think you might have AJ/Angle too high, it wasn't a bad match by any means but I feel like they can do better.

And like Triple G said I also think Kurt vs Cage SSoS fits somewhere in the Top 10, I'd take MCMG/Speed Muscle out just because it was such a short match. With a longer match they'd be Top 5 easily!

But overall I think that's a great list, hopefully we can add to it tomorrow with some great matches at Hard Justice.
The 2 Cage/Angle PPV matches are of similar quality, I only prefer the AAO match slightly cause I thought the pace was better and the actual wrestling was crisper. They both have crummy finishes as well, but I liked AAO's better.

Eh some people don't like AJ/Angle as much as I do maybe, but whatever. I loved the match.

The reason I would put the MCMG/Speed Muscle match in over the 3rd Cage/Angle match is simply because the tag match was much more memorable to me where as the Cage/Angle match is overshadowed by the other 2 they had.

As far as tonight goes, AJ/Angle has the potential to be the best match TNA has done all year and Joe/Booker could easily be great as long as the finish isn't too overbooked.
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Since Hard Justice is tonight:

Top Five Matches in Hard Justice History

1) America's Most Wanted vs. The Naturals: Chris Candido Tribute Match (2005)

2) Samoa Joe vs. Monty Brown vs. Rhino: Falls Count Anywhere (2006)

3) Rhino vs. James Storm: Bar Room Brawl (2007)

4) Jay Lethal/Sonjay Dutt vs. Triple X vs. Motor City Machine Guns (2007)

5) The Steiner Brothers vs. Team 3D (2007)

Looking at tonight's card, I can see AJ/Angle, Joe/Booker, and maybe a few other matches surpassing some of these.

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Hey I know I don't dwell on the negative in TNA too much, but I thought it'd be funny to rank the top ten worst matches in TNA history.

1) VKM vs. The Heart Breakers: Destination X 2007 - Now alot of the matches that are going to make the list are going to be bad because the gimmick failed, which is not the fault of the wrestlers involved. I'm sure the second you read that, you could alread figure out a lot of the matches that are going to be on this list. But a failed gimmick was not the case here. This match was just truthfully and utterly bad and unlike most bad VKM matches where I could say "at least it was short" this one got like 10 minutes, and it felt like an enternity. Awful match. I was not surprised at all that The Heart Throbs weren't brought back.

2) Monty Brown vs. Trytan: Destination X 2005 - This list just wouldn't be complete without a match from my personal pick for worst TNA PPV ever. Trytan clearly didn't belong in the ring, and Monty had to try and carry him, which given Monty's limited experience at the time, you should know how well that turned out. And the ending was quite possibly the worst booked finish I have ever seen. As Monty was setting Trytan up for the Pounce. The lights went out. They come back on, and Trytan is standing on the entrance ramp, and a masked man is attacking Monty Brown. Monty then Pounces him and gets the Pin. HUH?!?! I mean shouldn't Trytan have just been DQ'd? How can you pin a guy that is clearly not a participant in the match? Lame!

3) Pat Kenney vs. Big Vito: Luck of the Irish Match from TNA 2004- This is easily the worst gimmick match that TNA has ever devised. The way it was set up, there were four boxes in four corners of the ring. The object was to grab the key (which was attached toa rugby ball & hung on a pole) and open up the box that had weapons inside of it (which were all painted green)

Now what I didn't get is why the wrestlers wouldn't just shake the boxes and find out which one had the weapons in the first place. This match was just weird, confusing, and very silly.

4) Team 3D vs. LAX: Electrified Steel Cage Match from Lockdown 2007 - Most people would probably say the Blindfold match is worse, but I don't. At least the Blindfold match had been done before and had worked (Jake/Martel from WMVII) But there was just no way in hell that this gimmick had any chance of working. It was either going to be too dangerous or too fake. Thankfully it was way too fake, but it really made the match sucky. Even though Team 3D captured the NWA Tag Titles for the first time, you will NEVER see this on any Best Of DVDs. I guarantee it.

5) Chris Harris vs. James Storm: Blindfold Match from Lockdown 2007 - OK, now here is the match everybody hates. Its a shame because I actually enjoy blindfold matches, but I guess its one of those things that worked back in the old days, but not now. The crowd pretty crapped all over this one from start to finish, and it didn't help that the blindfolds kept falling off either.

6) Kid Kash vs. Apolo: Impact 2005 Main Event - I'm not kidding. This match actually headlined an Impact. I couldn't give you an exact date, but they worked this match when TNA was doing 10 mi nute time limits for their Impact matches. Now you would think that when the match almost reaches the time limit expiration that the intensity of the match would pick up. Not the case here. They actually slowed things down, and it just made the match boring and stupid.

7) AMW vs. XXX: Last Team Standing from Victory Road 2004 - It's hard to believe that a match involving these two teams made the list, but this one was a disaster. Primetime suffered a concussion early on in the match, and everything just went to hell from there. Also, the gimmick of the match was not good for a tag team encounter. It was LMS TNA style, which means that a pinfall must occur before the 10 count begins, but both members of the team had to be eliminated for the match to end, so you had three eliminations happen within the span of 10 minutes and everything just seemed rushed, with Skipper fucking everything up along the way.

8) Team Page vs. Team Jarrett: Lethal Lockdown 2005 - I have loved the recent Lethal Lockdowns. They have been War Games reinvented, and its been a real treat. It just too bad the first one sucked to high heavens. The problem with the 1st Lockdown as a whole is that under normal circumstances, alot of the matches would have been amazing (AMW vs. T.Canada, Skipper vs. Daniels, etc.) but the crowd just got tired after so many long cage matches that they just crapped out by the time Lethal Lockdown rolled around.

And it didn't help that the match was filled with a bunch of has beens like BG James, Kip James, and a very out of shape Sean Waltman (who to be fair improved greatly just two months later) There was also the whole thing where Nash had to pull out and they hyped up his MYSTERY REPLACEMENT, which turned out to be BG James. Now I can understand they wanted to get The New Age Outlaws on opposing teams, but don't hype up Nash's replacement as a big surprise and then make it somebody who is on TV every week. BTW, the opening exchange between Jarrett & Waltman is some of the most boring wrestling action you will ever see, and the finish was botched too. I can honestly say I enjoyed most of the matches from the 1st Lockdown, but this one just tanked. The good thing was that it gave the crowd a nap before AJ vs. Abyss where they came alive again.

9) Chris Harris vs. Black Reign: Hard Justice 2007 - Wow. Harris is on 3 of the 10? I actually really liked the guy in TNA, but I guess he had his share of downer moments. This was just the begginning of the end for him. He got squashed (despite Reign being DQd) and never got any momentum back after this. Had Harris gotten some kind of redemption in the feud, I wouldn't have minded as much, but he didn't so this just blew.

10) BG James & Jeff Hammond vs. Michael Shane & Kazarian: Against All Odds 2005 - Sometimes mixing celebrities with wrestlers can be entertaining. TNA has done it a few times with mild success (Wycheck at Slammiversary) and hell, Wrestlemania was built on that concept. But this match just fucking blew. You want to know what the worst finishing move of all time is? The Pit Stop by Jeff Hammond. Just awful, and this was the first time I remember the Impact Zone crowd really crapping on something.
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1.) VKM vs Serotonin - *1/2
Meh...Crappy choice for an opener.

2.) The Naturals vs Dutt/Lethal - **1/2
Decent tag action but nothing too memorable.

3.) X - Title - Daniels vs Sabin - ***1/2
Awesome back and forth good ol fashioned X-division matchup. Really good chemistry between the 2.

4.) Star/Shelly vs Killings/Hoyt - **1/2

Man Austin's "Star" gimmick was so horrible...The match itself started a bit like a comedy style match but got better towards the end. Nothing too great but not bad. Nash's commentary during was absolutely hilarious though.

5.) Christian Cage vs Aj Styles - ***3/4
This is a definite dream match for me as I'm a big fan of both wrestlers and this one didn't disappoint. Great action from beginning to end. Easily a 4 star match maybe more had the finish been clean and it had been given a little more time. It's a crime they didn't have a 1v1 ppv matchup during the whole coalition breakup angle recently...

6.) NWA tag titles - LaX vs AMW - **1/2

Very disappointed with this one, as I anticipated a great match. The action was good at times but there was a lot of sloppy in ring work and the match just didn't come off right. After the match Cornette comes out and "strips" lax of the titles, the crowd gives a well deserved "BULLSHIT" chant.

7.) NWA Title - Sting vs Abyss - ***1/4
Really good crazy and chaotic match between these 2. Easily the best moment was Sting taking an brutal chokeslam onto the tacks and HULKING THE FUCK UP right afterwards. One word Awesome! The ending comes when Sting completely loses it and starts destroying Abyss. He hangs him upside down using his repeal rope and bashes him repeatedly with a chair. He then knocks out the ref getting DQ'ed in the process. But he wasn't done yet... He tosses Abyss off the ramp onto a couple of barbwire tables he'd set up earlier! With the DQ and those NWA rules... Abyss is crowned the new champion! Can't say I liked that ending too much but damn me if it wasn't surprising.

8.) Joe vs Kurt Angle - ****1/4
Holy shit what a Phenomenal match this was! It's brutal from the get go. It's seemed very personal as each guy looks like they're legit trying to kill each other in there. The crowd as you would expect are RED hot throughout, giving out duel chants, awesome chants, the works. It really had a big match feel to it. Toward the end, both men look tired and beaten, Angle has already kicked out of the Muscle Buster, and Joe has kicked out of the OS. Angle lowers the straps and gets Joe into the Ankle lock. After some sweet reversals and counters, Angle gets up pulls his straps back up only to lower them right afterwards lol and locks on the ankle lock once more but this time he does the grapevine! Joe is in serious trouble, he's right near the ropes but the pain is too much to sustain...The over year long unbeaten streak of the Samoan submission machine comes to an end. Amazing stuff the only complaint I had was it was way too short. At about 13 minutes. I would've loved to see 5-10 more but it didn't take much away from this great match.


Overall: A great ppv hurt with a mediocre undercard but the matches that had to deliver, delivered big time. I wasn't expecting to like Joe/Angle as much as I did but that match seriously blew me away. One of the best of 06 right behind Lockdown and BFG.

Other Stuff: After Joe/Angle, Joe is left in the ring holding a mic. The crowd is chanting "You tapped out!" Joe response "Damn right I tapped out, I'm man enough to admit when someone is better on the night" (or something to that effect) Joe calls Angle back to the ring and asks for a rematch. Joe held his hand out awaiting Angle to shake it and agree, but instead Kurt wipes off his bloody forehead flicking it at Joe and walks away. Joe says they'll just have to do it the "Hard way" then.
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8 Man Gauntlet that headlined iMPACT this week could be in the top 10 worst TNA matches imo.
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^ I disagree on that, yeah it was an unneeded gimmick and some of the participants had no place in it, but it was a pretty good Tv match. The Angle/AJ interaction during that made it better than most on TripleG list (The ones' I've seen from it at least.)
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