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Old 12-10-2013, 06:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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What TNA needs to do is get all the TNA originals. They're paid way too much. Joe, Daniels, Kaz, Aries, Storm, Roode, Abyss, Eric Young should all follow AJ and leave. They're all old now, and by old, I mean in their mid-30s. By getting rid of these guys who have never done anything to help TNA's growth they'll be able to get a bunch of young talent. Instead of paying AJ 300k-400k a year, you can hear like 10 indie nobodies. Guys like Shaw, EC3, Bromans, Spud, Dewey Barnes, Nerv Fernum, and other average indie dudes who are willing to be paid cheap because they'll get to be on TV and they won't be able to be paid more because they aren't what indie diehard fans wants. Now instead of paying a dozen guys 6 figures, you can hire 40 dude who'll accept less than minimum wage. This is what's best for TNA's financial situation.
boy am i glad your not making any decisions for tna. if tna got rid of all of those guys you mentioned , tna would be finished within months. nobody is tuning in to watch a bunch of nobodies they never heard of just because their cheaper. thats asinine. what you do is bring in guys while the established names are still there, so they get built up in the meantime so when the time comes that the tna originals leave , tna has a new batch of stars ready to replace them .

back to the op....of course tna needs to sign new talent , but the 1st thing they need to do is bring back the wrestlers who have disappeared like kenny king, manik, jay bradley , and even rob terry who has improved this past year in ovw and that would be a big help . you add those guys to zema ion, ec3, sam shaw ,spud and the roster feels a lot more fresh . and the thing is they dont have to sign any of them, their all under contract which boggles my mind even further as to why their not being used .

the second thing tna needs to do is get rid of the dead weight. everyone has their own opinion as to who they dont like and think is dead weight but for me the guys who should be fired are...bischoff, brisco, knux , chavo, hernandez , taz, king mo , and dixie fuckbuddy sting (who is wayyyy overapid and useless )

take all the money you saved , plus the $$ from hogan/bischoff/devon/tara/rvd/mickie james ...and the $ saved from going off the road and THEN go sign some or at least try to sign some of the top indy talent out there .

its not rocket science, but dixie and co. just cant grasp ow to rebuild and refresh your roster.
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Old 12-10-2013, 06:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The right answer. All the A talent is holding out for WWE. With TNA a trainwreck at the moment, its difficult to see many top indy stars risking their career.

Unless they've already been chewed out by WWE, I can't see TNA getting anyone off the top of the Indy Pile.
yeah theres def truth to that, however 6 guys right here ...young bucks, chris hero, trent barreta, jigsaw , brian cage all would sign with tna if the $$ was right and/or tna was interested . plus, there more im sure that im not thinking about right now , AND theres plenty of international talent that are interested in tna (like lionheart, john klinger who actually won the gutcheck but was never to be heard from again , and the guy aj just wrestled in japan to name a few )

so the excuse that their all waiting for wwe and tna has nobody to choose from is bullshit . their 2 fucking cheap and dont know how to scout talent.

and btw, how is it that a company like roh who keeps on getting raped by the wwe of their top talent, able to keep on finding new stars ? i dont have the answer but my point is theres plenty of guys out there , tna just needs to find them or do a better job scouting
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yeah theres def truth to that, however 6 guys right here ...young bucks, chris hero, trent barreta, jigsaw , brian cage all would sign with tna if the $$ was right and/or tna was interested . plus, there more im sure that im not thinking about right now , AND theres plenty of international talent that are interested in tna (like lionheart, john klinger who actually won the gutcheck but was never to be heard from again , and the guy aj just wrestled in japan to name a few )

so the excuse that their all waiting for wwe and tna has nobody to choose from is bullshit . their 2 fucking cheap and dont know how to scout talent.

and btw, how is it that a company like roh who keeps on getting raped by the wwe of their top talent, able to keep on finding new stars ? i dont have the answer but my point is theres plenty of guys out there , tna just needs to find them or do a better job scouting
Exactly there are talents out there right now that would sign with TNA. They might not have the big indy talent name behind them but they're really talented. I would even add Roderick Strong to that list of people that would more and likely sign with TNA but they have other commitments right now. I think some wrestlers need to realize everyone isn't going to make it to WWE. Then there are less known indy guys out there that would sign with TNA that could have a good future in TNA. When Zema Ion was one of those people that was less known that people didn't like that TNA signed but he has a good future.
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One thing to remember is this: Storm, Roode, Sabin, Parks, Daniels, Kazarian, Styles, and Joe have all be there for nearly 10 years if not over 10 years. These guys are all talented, but TNA right now is suffering from an issue that they have long ignored: the under-card. The only person TNA is building that is young is Magnus. Hard, Ray, and Angle don't have a long time left. The other guys mentioned have been around for 10 years and despite being over should begin to be phrased out over the next 5-7 years.

Who is the next generation? Zema Ion, Kenny King, Jay Bradley, and Magnus? okay cool. But who else?
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Rich Swann > AR Fox.

In ring there are both great talents, but Swann trumps Fox by a country mile when it comes to mic skills and charisma. Swann would make a great babyface in the X-Division to go up against the heel talents (Ion, King, Sabin).
Agreed, but I would take Ricochet over either one of them
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They should create their own dojo in Nashville or Florida, and bring back Doug Williams, let him train the guys, let Daniels, Joe, Sting and the rest of the crew be guest trainers and shit. In 3-5 years, the results would be clearly visible. In the meantime, yes, hire some indy top talent, for fuck's sake.
They already did that

It was called OVW. They got rid of it due to cost cutting measures.
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As noted, they should be doing both of these things. There are a shit ton of independent wrestlers and there certainly aren't two piles being 1.) The most talented, the most popular and headed for WWE and 2.) Absolute shit failures so I don't really get that view. There are so many quality workers out there who would give their left nut for an offer from TNA.

In regards to the next 5+ years, they've also been trying to really establish younger talent lately, with a special focus on Magnus, EC3, Samuel Shaw and The Bromans. IWC favorite Sabin is only 31 and still has a long ass career ahead of him, assuming he keeps the injuries in check, and it feels like they're always trying to make Gunner happen.

I'd like to see them get around to doing something with Kenny King. My opinion of him only comes from what little I've seen of him in TNA but he seems like a strong total package buoyed by being one of the more noticeably charismatic performers on their roster so that they've given him so little to do in a year and a half is surprising. Now he's looking like someone who may get released and that seems like a poor decision.

I have no idea if TJ Perkins can pull off the story-intensive side of wrestling but his Spider-man-esque take on Manik née Suicide has given that character the most natural coolness factor it's ever had.

And I still don't know why they got rid of Crimson. "Oh my god but he sucked donkeydick! he ruined TNA!" I know what people say about him but he was eventually golden in OVW. If any one person were going to make it out of that failed experiment, I would have bet on him.

edit: Oh damn and Alex Shelley as well. It seems impossible that he'd ever come back but how did they fuck this one up? He is pure quality, like AA levels of starpower/potential. Will always be one of the saddest misses for TNA.

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As noted, they should be doing both of these things. There are a shit ton of independent wrestlers and there certainly aren't two piles being 1.) The most talented, the most popular and headed for WWE and 2.) Absolute shit failures so I don't really get that view. There are so many quality workers out there who would give their left nut for an offer from TNA.
Most quality indy workers either have an end goal of WWE and don't want to fuck up any chance by going to TNA, or would rather just stay on the indies unless they get a significant pay increase, which probably isn't going to happen because either they're an established indy worker making almost as much (if not as much or more) as they would in TNA, or some unknown who would basically be working for free at TNA considering most of their paycheck would go to travel expenses.
You look at the level of top tier indy talent TNA used to get compared to now, do you honestly think it is because of lack of interest on TNA's part, or lack of interest on the talent's part?
Granted, there's enough talent that would be willing to come in to fill out a decent roster, but the available talent pool that TNA could bring in under their budget isn't that strong

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You're again only citing top tier "name brand" talent. TNA isn't going to get that, it's out of the question. Lowered expectations come with the distant second positioning. What I'm saying is that there are thousands of independent workers and it's not a binary system of "OMG greatest wrestler of all time!" vs. "the shitpile". There are plenty of quality workers available who will never even so much as sniff a WWE scout.

As far as pay, I've never seen any official numbers, it's largely been heresay and humor. Besides which, comparatively few out there are making, say, $1000+ per show and virtually all of them are already paying travel and accommodations (or sleeping in their cars). Unless the suggestion is that TNA doesn't pay a living wage, the money should be an upgrade for the vast majority, not to mention the at least 1.5-2 million eyeballs a week clearly being a huge step up beyond school gyms. Sure, it's not the WWE. That is and will likely always be the real DREAM, and it doesn't matter who it is, by coming into TNA they are definitely settling. I agree with that. However, I'll never understand the idea that TNA is somehow not a desirable place to work for most unsigned performers. It just has no basis in logical reality.

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Didn't know that AR Fox did gay porn.
Well, then TNA definitely should sign him.
Why? Because of this he probably cant go to wwe, and it's easier for TNA to get him for low pay.

I like Rich Swan as Ricos tag partner, but as a singles copetitor I must see him in TNA to decide. The guy is as small as Spud.
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