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Old 10-12-2013, 08:12 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Only really familiar with Jordan but hard to beat a guy who would have most likely led his team to eight straight NBA titles and who won six finals MVP's for the six finals he appeared in, never allowing a series to go to a game 7. Then you've got mad stats like 33.4 pts play-off average, ten scoring titles, 3000 pts in a season etc. On another level.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:22 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Ruth was consistently hitting more home runs in single seasons than a lot of teams were. I find it odd he was only a 3 time MVP.
Ruth won a single MVP, in 1923. You could only win it once back then.

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World appeal doesn't mean anything if it's just US. Ruth's popularity is just a great as Jordan's. I'm ok with Jordan over Ruth. No big deal. Ali is the unquestionable no 1 in my view.

Ruth v Jordan...is Jordan still as revered as Ruth is now decades from now? A century from now? Ruth has endured.

Oh btw, Willie Mays > Babe Ruth as a player.
Ruth is the unquestioned #1 baseball player of all time as far as accomplishments go. There is nobody even remotely close. some of his records have been surpassed, but compare his career HR/AB ratio to anyone else in MLB History. Only people near him are juice monkeys, and Jim Thome. His career batting avg is .02 lower than Ted Williams and he slugged .690 through his career - Willie Mays is behind numerous past and even present players. Mays was good, but his level of play has been greatly enhanced by numerous media outlets who were desperate to elevate a skilled African American ballplayer in the 60's shortly after Jackie Robinson retired. Really not trying to make this a race issue, but I also will not deny facts. Mays numbers are very good, but there have been better players with better numbers.

Compare him on baseball-reference.

As far as those who added Gretzky go - I'd only consider Bobby Orr on par with The Great One, and they played different positions, so #99 being on offense helps his case as the best. I'll relent he is the best for this thread, and would rank him 3rd overall. Maybe 2nd

#1 - Babe Ruth - Utterly and completely dominated his sport like no other
#2 - Michael Jordan - Considered by many to be the best NBA player ever. Might of been. Was clutch
#3 - Wayne Gretzky - could rank him #2.
#4 - Jerry Rice - i think he is the greatest NFL player of all time. Numerous records, should still hold the single season TD record - (caught 22 in 12 game strike shortened season)
#5 - Muhammed ali - My issue with Ali is that i would not consider him the greatest boxer of all time. Who would I rank higher?

- Joe Louis
- Marvin Hagler
- Floyd Mayweather

Different weight classes for the last two guys, yeah. Still the same sport. I think Louis may of beaten Ali at his prime, but who knows. Hagler and Mayweather destroyed everyone at their class. Even Ali didn't do that. Ali held behind the head against opponents often and never had a point subtracted, feel free to watch fights on youtube more closely if you do not believe me.

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Buck O' Neil said in an interview before he died there is a sound he has only heard 3 times off of someones bat. The 3 guys he was referring to were...

Babe Ruth
Josh Gibson
Bo Jackson

I agree Bo was a better football player but he was HOF caliber in baseball too. Guy ran like a deer and was strong as an ox. He struck out a lot but hell so did Reggie Jackson.
Ruth - agreed
Josh Gibson - played against scrubs & drunks. Really hard to know how good he was. Might of been great, nobody knows.
Bo Jackson - I really do believe, that Bo Jackson may of been the greatest athlete who ever lived. I wouldn't call him "HOF" caliber in baseball, but the fact he made the major league level is tremendous. He was probably a better running back, had a ypc average on par with Jim Brown and Barry Sanders. also could of been an Olympic level track n field athelet, had he trained for it. Fastest 40 yd dash time ever, even still. Threw guys out going from 3rd base to home....from damn near the warning track. (Harold Reynolds). i have never seen speed and power in one package like I did Bo Jackson as a kid.
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Ruth won a single MVP, in 1923. You could only win it once back then.



Ruth is the unquestioned #1 baseball player of all time as far as accomplishments go. There is nobody even remotely close. some of his records have been surpassed, but compare his career HR/AB ratio to anyone else in MLB History. Only people near him are juice monkeys, and Jim Thome. His career batting avg is .02 lower than Ted Williams and he slugged .690 through his career - Willie Mays is behind numerous past and even present players. Mays was good, but his level of play has been greatly enhanced by numerous media outlets who were desperate to elevate a skilled African American ballplayer in the 60's shortly after Jackie Robinson retired. Really not trying to make this a race issue, but I also will not deny facts. Mays numbers are very good, but there have been better players with better numbers.

Compare him on baseball-reference.

As far as those who added Gretzky go - I'd only consider Bobby Orr on par with The Great One, and they played different positions, so #99 being on offense helps his case as the best. I'll relent he is the best for this thread, and would rank him 3rd overall. Maybe 2nd

#1 - Babe Ruth - Utterly and completely dominated his sport like no other
#2 - Michael Jordan - Considered by many to be the best NBA player ever. Might of been. Was clutch
#3 - Wayne Gretzky - could rank him #2.
#4 - Jerry Rice - i think he is the greatest NFL player of all time. Numerous records, should still hold the single season TD record - (caught 22 in 12 game strike shortened season)
#5 - Muhammed ali - My issue with Ali is that i would not consider him the greatest boxer of all time. Who would I rank higher?

- Joe Louis
- Marvin Hagler
- Floyd Mayweather

Different weight classes for the last two guys, yeah. Still the same sport. I think Louis may of beaten Ali at his prime, but who knows. Hagler and Mayweather destroyed everyone at their class. Even Ali didn't do that. Ali held behind the head against opponents often and never had a point subtracted, feel free to watch fights on youtube more closely if you do not believe me.
I have to say it is cool to a Red Sox fan giving Ruth his kudos. I mentioned it earlier that Babe's HR per at bat ratio is on;y surpassed by McGwire and we know why that is.

I didn't even think about Rice, but he definitely has a place on this list. I still think that Barry Sanders was better at his position, though and I was a huge 49er fan in those days. LT also deserves a mention
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Im a huge Lions/Barry fan but there will never be another Barry. He is the most exciting football player I have ever seen. Shame he played on so many bad teams.
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Barry was exciting, yes.

Here is the biggest decider for me with the Rice/Sanders debate - each NFL players plays one position usually. you play it as well as you can.

Barry Sanders is not the unquestioned greatest RB of all time. Some feel Jim Brown or Walter Payton may have been. In a stronger passing scheme, you may take Tomlinson or Faulk even.

There is no debate on who the greatest WR of all time is. It is virtually nonexistent. Said discussions almost always are done in a "Who is the 2nd greatest..." because you know who the GOAT was for WR's. And no player in NFL history dominated their position to be the unquestioned GOAT at their position, like Jerry Rice did.

That is what makes him the best player in NFL history.

Not even Jordan is as universally celebrated as the unquestioned "greatest" in Basketball.
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I will agree with that. Rice is the best WR of all time. Not even close.

Barry might be the best RB of all time. Might being the key word cuz it could be Jim Brown or Walter Payton. I could see 5-10 years from now Adrian Peterson being the best RB of all time and saying it in a way where it's not even close. Like Rice.
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Nah it'd still be close. Even if ALL DAY amasses enough yards to pass Emmitt, he can't cancel out Barry's amazing elusiveness. Peterson isn't even close to as elusive.


@ Freeloader: Mays hit 660 HR. lol that's amazing and 4th all time. He's the #5 hitter on the STATS site Baseball Reference. He was a supreme fielder and great baserunner. Don't be mad that a black guy was great at this game, and possibly the greatest (he is the greatest).

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Anyone who says Jordan I will meet you half way. He is the best basketball player ever probably. Couldn't hit a curve ball to save his life.
Probably? No, not probably. There is no player that comes close for that GOAT status. I dont think he is leagues ahead of the guys behind him, but he is the undisputed GOAT and for good reason.
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