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Old 11-11-2012, 08:42 PM   #941 (permalink)
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If Aoki got his striking to a really high level he would be a beast in the UFC. His ground game is fucking scary. As soon as he got me to the ground I would just tap immediately, fuck that.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:52 PM   #942 (permalink)
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breaks his arm and flips him off Don't get why Hirota didn't just tap out. He wasn't doing anything to defend it and that pretty much finished his career. He's had like 3 fights since 09.


also regarding the Melendez thing, i'm not rating him as highly as 3rd in the LW division but he's not a scrub.
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That's what I'm talking about. Fuck that noise. He'll break your shit and laugh about it. As soon as he got me to the ground, before he even locked anything on me or shit, even attempted anything, I'd just tap out. I'd like to keep all my limbs. Him and Rousimar Palhares are two guys where if they got me to the ground, fuck it, I quit.
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Except Guida isn't a high level gatekeeper. He's just an average fighter. Pettis would beat him imo, i rate Pettis highly though.



Aoki would cause fits for heaps of UFC 155ers, but he's fairly average nowadays. Regardless I was calling Melendez a high level gatekeeper.
No, Aoki would cause no fits, He would get outstruck by most of the division, nor does he have the offensive takedowns to actually use his submission game

Edgar & Guida (Who luckily recently left the division), Bendo, Diaz, Pettis, Cerrone, Guillard, Maynard, Miller, Barboza, Varner, Melendez, Sanchez, Alvarez (who could be in the UFC), etc. all can keep the fight standing against him due to their skill in wrestling or either KO him with their far superior striking.

Just named 14 UFC LWs (some who have recently moved divisions or others who are surely on their way), who could definitely beat Aoki.
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I doubt he'll become even a high level gate keeper. He'll be in the same position that Dave Herman and Hector Lombard are right now in their respective divisions.

Also, speaking of Palhares, I recently rewatched his fight against Belcher this past year. Man, Alan Belcher is a fucking badass. Not only did he beat Pallhares, he beat him at his own game. You wanna go to the ground bitch? Fine, I'll whoop your ass there. While you have a hold of my leg and can rip it apart if I'm slightly out of position.

Such a great fight.
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Fair enough but when Melendez beats a bunch of blokes you better believe i'm rubbing it in your face Jon Jones Also 'where Lombard is'? really? Lombard has had one fight against a guy that a bunch of places are ranking around the top 5.

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Edgar & Guida (Who luckily recently left the division), Bendo, Diaz, Pettis, Cerrone, Guillard, Maynard, Miller, Barboza, Varner, Melendez, Sanchez, Alvarez (who could be in the UFC), etc. all can keep the fight standing against him due to their skill in wrestling or either KO him with their far superior striking.

Just named 14 UFC LWs (some who have recently moved divisions or others who are surely on their way), who could definitely beat Aoki.
Not sure if you just fap hard over everyone in the UFC or underrate Aoki that much. His striking is very basic, and while the bigger guys in the division would handle him he would still be a great fighter in the UFC.
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I've eaten my words before, and have no shame in doing so. Mock me all you want as long as it's with reason. Lombard? He came from the outside with a huge chip on his shoulder and barely scraped through against Tim Boetsch, who is average at best, but the only reason he's on top right now is because that division is thin as fuck.

That's what I think'll happen to Melendez when he comes into the UFC. He'll come in against a guy like Pettis or Cerrone. Lose. And then get stuck in between the Top 20- Top 10 range in the Lightweight division. It's what happened to Jake Shields, it's what happened to Herman and Barboza, and it's whats going to happen to Melendez.

Don't mind me. I just love when hype trains are derailed and peoples hearts are broken. That has a risk as they actually have a chance to be successful, like my own boy Jon Jones before he absolutely obliterated Shogun, but I'm confident that Melendez will be a nobody in the UFC.
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On the subject of Lombard, I feel for that dude going in against Palhares on the December FX show, the UFC certainly aren't trying to slowly bring him into the UFC's MW division. I think the Melendez situation is interesting, surely he's going to get an immediate title shot should he kept the belt on the last Strikeforce show. But then there's a very big chance that Nate takes home the UFC LW title when he fights Bendo, what happens then? Wonder if Nate and Gil would agree to fight against each other.
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Gil/Diaz is never going to happen. If Nate were to beat Henderson (which I highly doubt) there are many talented LW fighters that have a decent chance at taking the title from Diaz. The LW division is so stacked that they wouldn't need to fight each other.

Besides Pettis, I don't think anyone beats Henderson in the next year, and Pettis is still a toss up imo.
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Fair enough but when Melendez beats a bunch of blokes you better believe i'm rubbing it in your face Jon Jones Also 'where Lombard is'? really? Lombard has had one fight against a guy that a bunch of places are ranking around the top 5.



Not sure if you just fap hard over everyone in the UFC or underrate Aoki that much. His striking is very basic, and while the bigger guys in the division would handle him he would still be a great fighter in the UFC.
I'm not underrating Aoki, He's probably one of the most overrated fighters in the world since he's been pretty much submitting nobodies in Japan. He has no tools to be a great fighter in the division. He's not an extremely good takedown specialist that can get the fight to the ground, and his striking is basic. Now throw someone like that in a division where you have some great strikers, and some great wrestlers who can keep the fight on the feet and you have a nightmare for Aoki.
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