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Old 10-14-2012, 10:41 PM   #641 (permalink)
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No, Anderson still has great takedown defense. There aren't many people that can take him down consistantly at 185.

He barely survived that armbar. It was by far the closest anyone has come to beating him and while Vitor has a black belt its not like he's known for being a monster off his back. Anderson also isn't known for being a beast off his back but he has an active guard, and any mistake he will pounce on. Jones is still fairly new, he will leave those openings. Which makes it a far more intriguing fight. Both guys are beats, it will be close and i wouldn;t put money on either of them. GSP/Silva and i'd back Silva every time.

Its not like i underrate GSP, he's one of my favourite fighters (hence the name) but Silva is the GOAT.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:49 PM   #642 (permalink)
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No, Anderson still has great takedown defense. There aren't many people that can take him down consistantly at 185.

He barely survived that armbar. It was by far the closest anyone has come to beating him and while Vitor has a black belt its not like he's known for being a monster off his back. Anderson also isn't known for being a beast off his back but he has an active guard, and any mistake he will pounce on. Jones is still fairly new, he will leave those openings. Which makes it a far more intriguing fight. Both guys are beats, it will be close and i wouldn;t put money on either of them. GSP/Silva and i'd back Silva every time.

Its not like i underrate GSP, he's one of my favourite fighters (hence the name) but Silva is the GOAT.
Yes but GSP could, GSP takes down pretty much everyone

He isn't a monster because he rarely gets to the ground. Jones survived a tight armbar, that's impressive. You say Jones will leave openings but again we have to look at the size advantage. Jones's GNP is still not something easy to get past, and like I said before, He's submitted both Machida & Belfort.

Bur Anderson still has a big test in Weidman. Weidman has a larger reach than Anderson, Great wrestling, and great jiu-jitsu that could give him fits (Dude almost submitted Andre Galvao). Not to mention he has developing striking, KOing someone with an elbow shows you're at least a competent striker.
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yeah, he takes down everyone at 170. That doesn't mean he can do it to everyone in any division.

Yeah he survived a tight armbar. Against a guy who Anderson beat in a minute.

You talk about size advantage between Jones/Silva but no mention of that between GSP/Silva? Just a convenient slip of the mind eh? Its obviously not as pronounced as the difference between Jones/Silva but thats no reason to disregard it.

I'm not saying to look past what Jones brings to a fight. I'm saying look at what each fighter brings to the respective fights.

GSP: Excellent wrestler, great striker, excellent top game on the ground, fairly untested off his back
Silva: Elite striker, good takedown defense, great off his back, active guard
Jones: Excellent striker, huge reach, power + size advantage, unpredictable, excellent wrestling.

Silva/Jones is a far more intriguing fight than Silva/GSP, especially as Jones really doesn't have anyone left, all of Silva's contenders need at least 1 more fight to push their claims for a title shot, and GSP has a Condit, Diaz, Kampmann and, if they agree to it, Rory MacDonald to fight.
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I don't think GSP will be able to keep Silva down even if he does manage to get a takedown. I think Silva is just far too strong for GSP, size difference will be a huge factor here. Silva vs. GSP is in essence a normal sized welterweight vs. a smaller then average Light Heavyweight. I'd still like to break it down.

Wrestling advantage goes to GSP, although I doubt he'll be able to keep him down.

BJJ advantage Silva.

Striking is fair game. Can't really compare the two different styles. Silva's Jedi/Counter striking style vs. St. Pierre's technical style. But gun to the head, I'd pick Silva. Silva will also have a reach advantage, which will be essential.

Clinching goes to Silva. Dude is a beast when he gets the plum.

I'd give a slight cardio advantage to GSP. Not to say the Silva can't go 5 rounds when he can.

On paper, Silva wins this fight. Dude is just bigger, and is just extremely skilled. However, if there's anyone out there who works themselves to death, it's GSP. With enough preparation and game planning, GSP can definitely take this one home. But even then who knows. Silva is a freak, and if I had to bet money on this fight, it would be on Silva.
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GSP's striking is non existent, he only stands up with those that are worse then him. Hughes,Shields, and Kos are awful on their feet. He took down guys like Penn,Hardy, and Alves who had much better stand up. So GSP's "technique" will be non existent against Silva, he will get embarrassed if they fight.
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to be fair kos does have a good right hook,but he just didn't have that opening. Gsp has a great takedown but can he take silva down and control him, idk we will have to see, first off you can't look past condit, he has power in both hands and is a great kickboxer.

as for silva vs jones silva wins imo, he is faster of the two and can pretty much dodge any strike he wants, hes just the greatest fighter even tho im not a fan of his, i have to admit he hasn't lost in ufc for a reason, and its because he is that much better then the rest. Jones has reach and a great wrestling background but i dont think he will be able to control silva.
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GSP's striking is non existent, he only stands up with those that are worse then him. Hughes,Shields, and Kos are awful on their feet. He took down guys like Penn,Hardy, and Alves who had much better stand up. So GSP's "technique" will be non existent against Silva, he will get embarrassed if they fight.
I wouldn't exactly call it "non-existant". It's pretty good and he works the jab nicely, but all I was saying is that I personally can't compare the two. And again, gun to the head, Anderson Silva is who I would pick. I misworded myself when I said "fair game". My back.
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Myers isn't wrong about GSP's striking. He stood with fucking Jake Shields for 5 rounds and basically did nothing with him. Same thing with Kos, he could have ended that fight a gang of times.

If/when Anderson and GSP fight, pretty confidant Anderson takes it pretty easily. GSP is a lot smaller than Anderson is and I don't think he will be able to hold him down. GSP doesn't want to clinch with Silva, so that's a no go. His only chance is to stand with Silva and Anderson will tee off on him.

Speaking of Anderson, he's such a bad mother fucker. I was in awe of what he did Saturday night. That dude sees shit in code, there is no other explanation. And dropping his hands and letting Bonnar tee off on him and not even flinching, jesus fucking christ. That has to be so terrifying if you're in there with him. It must be so scary to watch him willingly back up to the cage, drop his hands and be like "Hit me bitch". And Anderson made him look like a fucking fool when they back kick missed. He's just incredible.
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It pisses me off that he's that good. Hope the fucker loses before he retires. GSP will most likely lose, but Jones has a chance to beat him. I don't care who, but someone has to beat him before he retires. Atleast I hope.

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