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Old 09-09-2012, 03:01 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He has retired. A couple of times actually. He's only taking the fight with Rory b/c he got called out. If Penn applied himself then he'd be the GOAT lightweight in MMA.
except... BJ Penn is already the best of all time at lightweight
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Until Aldo moves up.
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If Edgar beats Aldo, where do you guys think that cements his legacy all time?
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If Edgar beats Aldo, where do you guys think that cements his legacy all time?
A) He won't.

B) If he does, then I'll think about it then. You can make an argument that he could be one of the best rounded fighters ever in the lighter divisions. Also, the guy might have the best heart of a fighter I've ever seen. Beat BJ twice, came back against Maynard despite him being in major trouble, and went on to beat him the second time. Also, while the first fight wasn't really close, I thought he won the second time against Benson as big of a fan I am of Henderson. He always comes back stronger. The guy doesn't quit, and that has to be respected.

That being said, Aldo vs. Edgar is going to end up like Faber vs. Aldo did.
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except... BJ Penn is already the best of all time at lightweight
debateable. He is one of the best but you could argue for a few other fighters. If he actually tried there would be absolutely no disputing it, he'd be far and away the best, not only in the LW division but potentially all of MMA.
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debateable. He is one of the best but you could argue for a few other fighters. If he actually tried there would be absolutely no disputing it, he'd be far and away the best, not only in the LW division but potentially all of MMA.
funny how you don't mention any names, though. and we were talking LW GOAT here, not all of MMA.

the guy in his prime was a killer. despite having 8 losses on his record, only 3 were at lightweight, and one was a controversial decision and arguably when he was past his prime (whether it was or not, i don't really care.) BJ Penn is pretty easily the best ever at LW currently, and it's not really all that close.

seriously, who is first if not for BJ? Gomi? i mean... there's no one else.
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funny how you don't mention any names, though. and we were talking LW GOAT here, not all of MMA.

the guy in his prime was a killer. despite having 8 losses on his record, only 3 were at lightweight, and one was a controversial decision and arguably when he was past his prime (whether it was or not, i don't really care.) BJ Penn is pretty easily the best ever at LW currently, and it's not really all that close.

seriously, who is first if not for BJ? Gomi? i mean... there's no one else.
Gomi, Aoki & Edgar you could all make a case for. I'm saying if Penn put the work in, there would be no debate. You couldn't make a case for anyone else.

If you look at the other divisions, 135 has Torres, Cruz, 145 has Aldo and Faber, 170 has Matt Hughes and GSP, 185 has Anderson Silva, 205 has Liddell, Ortiz, Jones, Shogun, Wandy, Hendo, 265 has Fedor, Cro Cop, Big Nog, Couture. Now some of those make more of a case than others but really only Silva stands head and shoulders above everyone in their respective divisions. Penn would be peerless if he didn't slack off.

As it stands he's still one of the best, and i still consider him the best ftr, but he's not as peerless as Silva and its a shame as he could have been.

as for the all time bit, i know what we're talking about and i know you can't read so i'll slow it up for you, If Penn put the work in, he'd not only be the LW GOAT, but up there for GOAT in all of MMA. Do you understand the point that is being made or do i have to spell it out for you again? I think i will have to at some point as you're incapable of thinking. Its a seperate point on top of the discussion, do you understand? You understand how conversation works? Good.
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hahaha, i can't read, huh?

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He has retired. A couple of times actually. He's only taking the fight with Rory b/c he got called out. If Penn applied himself then he'd be the GOAT lightweight in MMA.
please show me where that line says "he's probably the best of all time at LW, but not as much as he could have been." please. you CLEARLY didn't say that and said BJ Penn COULD HAVE been the best LW ever if he tried harder. which would directly imply that you said he isn't the best of all time.

let's not start backtracking now to make up for being wrong, like you usually are Mr. Self Proclaimed "MMA Elitist."

also, you can't really make a case for Edgar. his LW career could be potentially over, and he hasn't done nearly enough to be considered the greatest of all time. it isn't Gomi seeing as BJ Penn obliterated him in what was basically both of their primes, and BJ Penn's fights were against better talent overall in the LW division. not only that, but BJ Penn only has 3 losses at LW, and Gomi, while not in his prime anymore, hurts his LW legacy more and more by fighting and getting losses.

Aoki is just a fucking retarded mention. like, flat out, senseless mention with zero thought process. i could see someone who is relatively new to MMA saying Gomi or Edgar, but Aoki is fucking funny. he's a nifty fighter, but terribly one dimensional. i mean... it's not even remotely close. no need to reach that hard just to try and salvage any type of point you can make, just stop replying. too much internet pride?

not that i had to justify what i said anyway, because you yourself just said he IS the best. which again, contradicts your original post to no surprise.

oh wait, let me guess, "it's a point ON top of the discussion!" whatever that means...
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