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Old 07-18-2013, 11:59 AM   #3761 (permalink)
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Dark Church has his points PRIDE is the WWE of MMA. Rigged finishes and payouts. Watch guys from Pride fight in the UFC, most of them can't hang.
like who? Wanderlei was already on the backend of his career and has been middling in the UFC but he does have some important wins. Cro Cop was never the same after the Gonzaga KO, and injuries really fucked the end of his career, Dan Henderson has had a pretty successful UFC career, Shogun won the title so he's had a fairly successful career, Rampage has a pretty successful UFC career also winning the belt, Big Nog has had a pretty successful career, Lil Nog has done alright in the UFC, Gomi has had a middling UFC career but his losses are to top guys + a shitty wrong decision vs Sanchez.

Honestly the only guy you can talk about not being as good in the UFC is Cro Cop and he was injured a ton.
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Old 07-18-2013, 01:46 PM   #3762 (permalink)
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Yeah a bunch of guys with poor records in the UFC. Once these guys had to start actually fighting great fighters it didn't go so well for them. Even Shogun and Nogueira who won titles have bad overall records in the UFC and neither had a single title defense. Neither got another title shot either. Rampage did well but he had left PRIDE before he even came to the UFC. PRIDE was simply a gimmick company with a lot of overrated fighters who have been exposed.
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Who was around that time in the UFC still has a great career? Couture, Lidell, hughes, Penn, Pulver, Franklin, Griffin, Leben, and Diaz were all top stars during the same time of Pride and all of there careers started to slide at the same time. Hell Liddell was the UFC golden boy at the time and he lost the title to a pride fighter. Franklin lost his title to a pride fighter too.
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Who was around that time in the UFC still has a great career? Couture, Lidell, hughes, Penn, Pulver, Franklin, Griffin, Leben, and Diaz were all top stars during the same time of Pride and all of there careers started to slide at the same time. Hell Liddell was the UFC golden boy at the time and he lost the title to a pride fighter. Franklin lost his title to a pride fighter too.
GSP, Frank Mir, Rashad Evans, Vitor Belfort and Michael Bisping are all still top ten guys in the UFC that were around then. Three of them have been champion. Also Leben has never been a top guy. He has only sniffed a title shot twice and got his ass kicked both times. Anderson is not really a PRIDE guy and Rampage's only title defense was against another PRIDE guy. Since he lost his title he has been very average.

What about three other guys who were supposed to be great from PRIDE? Sokodju, Kang and Herring were all supposed to be top ten and fizzled out quick. An entire company with dozens of fighters and a handful have been successful since then. I'm not making this stuff up even the "great" Shogun is 5-5 in the UFC. Cro Cop did nothing in the UFC except get KTFO by Gonzaga, Mir, Schaub and Nelson. Finally any company that employed Bob Sapp who is known for throwing fights is a joke.
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Yeah a bunch of guys with poor records in the UFC. Once these guys had to start actually fighting great fighters it didn't go so well for them. Even Shogun and Nogueira who won titles have bad overall records in the UFC and neither had a single title defense. Neither got another title shot either. Rampage did well but he had left PRIDE before he even came to the UFC. PRIDE was simply a gimmick company with a lot of overrated fighters who have been exposed.
Shogun had a bad record? The fuck? Since when is 21-7 a bad record? And by the way, look back to those 7 losses, only 5 of which are in the UFC. They're ALL to top tier fighters. He fought Forrest the first time with completely fucked up knees. Proved that he could beat Forrest by KO'ing him at UFC 134. Shogun knocked the FUCK out of Lyoto Machida when he was considered unbeatable, and the MAJORITY of people scored the first fight for Shogun as well. After that, he got murdered by Jon Jones, but that's really no big deal, because Jones is the greatest light heavyweight of all time and he murders everyone else as well. Lost a fight to Dan Henderson, another PRIDE veteran, where you could've made a clear case for a draw. And then lost to Gustafsson who's going to be fighting Jones in September.

Sorry, but how is that a poor record? Please explain to me how on earth you can say that "Once these guys had to start actually fighting great fighters it didn't go so well for them", when most PRIDE guys who came over have only lost to TOP tier fighters in the UFC bar someone like Cro Cop. The MAJORITY of Pride guys have had successful careers in the UFC which completely validates their careers in Pride.

I'm not a Pride fan. Hell, I've never in my life sat through a whole PRIDE event. I didn't even watch MMA back when Pride was running. But it's stupid of you to dismiss it as some bush league shit, because it clearly wasn't. Just ask Chuck Liddell when he got fucked by Rampage in the Pride Grand Prix. If the fact that a Pride guy in Rampage were going toe to toe with Chuck Liddell can't convince you of this, I don't really know what else can.
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Sorry, I'm going to have to chime in on this Pride/UFC discussion. Pride was around when I started watching in early 2004 and I have to say, their talent at the time owned the UFC's.

The UFC made a deal with Pride, for Dana's golden boy Chuck Liddell to join the Pride Grand Prix. All UFC fans thought it would be Wanderlei/Liddell in the final but Rampage smashed Chuck and knocked him out of the tournament. Rampage ended up eating classic Wand knees in the final and losing for the second time to him.

You really think fucking Tim Sylvia or Andrei Arlovski, who at the time were the poster boys to the UFC HW division would have come over to Pride and beat Fedor? Sylvia was subbed by Big Nog (Pride fighter) when Nog came to the UFC as well, and they both eventually fought Fedor, and both were finished in the first round. And I'm not a big fan of Fedor either, but facts are facts.

Cro Cop lost his step when he came to the UFC but how is Mark Hunt (K1 and Pride fighter) doing in the UFC again? He was beat by JDS, but JDS wasn't around (in the UFC) when Pride was around anyway and he's the second best HW in the world right now and Hunt held his own in that fight.

To say Pride was a gimmick organization with loads of overrated fighters who have been exposed is a complete joke. Exposed by what exactly, UFC fighters? No. The only thing that exposed them is constant injuries and age. UFC had good talent back then but Pride had better.
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Rory could've definitely finished Penn in the second if he turned it up. Penn was shelled up in a corner with Rory treating him as a punching bag the majority of the fight. It was hard to watch to be honest.
I still think Rory's overrated, if he can beat Ellenberger, he'll make a believer out of me. But even then, all Rory's doing is killing contenders considering he won't fight GSP.

Also, what do people think the chances of Hendricks dethroning GSP is?
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Yeah a bunch of guys with poor records in the UFC. Once these guys had to start actually fighting great fighters it didn't go so well for them. Even Shogun and Nogueira who won titles have bad overall records in the UFC and neither had a single title defense. Neither got another title shot either. Rampage did well but he had left PRIDE before he even came to the UFC. PRIDE was simply a gimmick company with a lot of overrated fighters who have been exposed.
Shogun is 5-5 but look at his losses. First to Griffin when his knees were shot, a wrong decision vs Machida, and then he's lost to Jon Jones who is a beast, Henderson who is on TRT, and Gustaffson who is also a beast. The only poor fight he had was against Griffin. You're nothing but a blind hater if you can't see that.

Big Nog, lost the title when he had staph, broke his arm in the other fight with Mir andlost to Cain and Werdum who are both legit top 3 guys. Werdum is another PRIDE guy as well.

How does Rampage leaving Pride and having 1 fight elsewhere suddenly not make him a PRIDE guy? you're talking out of your ass b/c you have nothing. Cro Cop is the only top PRIDE guy who absolutely failed in the UFC.

Sokodju had 5 pro fights and only 2 in Pride before coming to the UFC. How is that a top 10 guy? Like at all? Kang wasn't a top guy and neither was Herring

also Anderson had 5 fights in PRIDE, how the fuck does that not make you a Pride guy?
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Yeeeeah, I was going to break it down myself but I was too lazy to write it out like you did Rush.
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I still think Rory's overrated, if he can beat Ellenberger, he'll make a believer out of me. But even then, all Rory's doing is killing contenders considering he won't fight GSP.

Also, what do people think the chances of Hendricks dethroning GSP is?
I see Rory out landing Ellenberger and jabbing the fuck outta him to win a decision to be honest. Ellenberger is kind of like Dan Henderson in that respect. Strong wrestling with big power in his hands. Of course Jake can win with one punch, but I mostly go with technical strikers over power hitters. It's not exactly easy to land a big hook.

I think Hendricks has more of a chance then people are giving him credit for. I wouldn't really be shocked if Hendricks won. Although I can see Hendricks just getting jabbed to death for 5 rounds ala Koscheck.
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