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#1 ·
Amazing new and fresh MMA thread.

Walls loves Faber or something like that.

MMA needs more roundhouses.
 
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Is it easy for a total newbie to MMA to get into it if he is really curious about it? Because I am curious about I just I don't know since I am new to it and haven't watched anything of it I am not invested as deeply into it but I would like to be if possible. Any helps or suggestions on how to start my journey into MMA? Please and thank you.
 
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Just asking if I am able to get into MMA would and I get its a video game but I feel I might get a better recommendation to playing it in here. But would you all suggest if i get into MMA for me to maybe try out playing UFC Undisputed 3 so I can play UFC in video game form?
 
#3,749 ·
Watch Silva/Forrest, Henderson/Edgar 1, Shogun/Henderson, Velasquez/BROCK and BROCK/Carwin.

Those fights will get you into MMA. I would definitely recommend you watching UFC on FS 1 August 17th. That card is going to be freaking incredible.
 
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I read that earlier today too. I love the whole American Psycho thing he's got going. Plus, Penn's an asshole. I'm sure it was fun to beat on him for 15 mins. I've always said Rory didn't finish him on purpose and just wanted to beat on him more because there were a few times in that fight that he could have finished BJ but he backed up and then went back at him. Guess I was right.
 
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Likewise. Wonder if they will actually fight.

Why the hell would you want someone new to the sport to start with a dead company? That would be like telling a new wrestling fan to go watch ECW.

I suggest starting with watching FOX Sports 1 1 on August 17th. A great card and it's free.
Only a select few attraction fights were fixed. Who gives a shit if there was no drug testing? The fights were still awesome more often than not. And just because there are no knees/kicks to the head of a downed opponent these days, that doesn't mean he can't enjoy the fights.


Watch Pride, seriously. Some of the best fights of all time were during that era and if you want to get into MMA you'd be robbing yourself of a giant chunk of MMA's history if you don't.
Don't even bother listening to Dark Church's garbage opinions on PRIDE. Not worth it.
 
#3,763 ·
Why would it matter if the company is dead or not? Pride had a bunch of great fights.
It matters because if they watch PRIDE and get interested that will never happen again. They used different rules, company doesn't exist and most of the fighters don't even fight anymore. Not to mention fixed fights, a lack of drug testing and possible Russian mob ties. PRIDE is an awful example of what MMA should be.
 
#3,764 ·
Only a select few attraction fights were fixed. Who gives a shit if there was no drug testing? The fights were still awesome more often than not. And just because there are no knees/kicks to the head of a downed opponent these days, that doesn't mean he can't enjoy the fights.


Watch Pride, seriously. Some of the best fights of all time were during that era and if you want to get into MMA you'd be robbing yourself of a giant chunk of MMA's history if you don't.
 
#3,765 ·
Coleman, Goodridge and Rampage have all admitted stuff was fixed. Hell Cro Cop fought Del Rio in a mask and fake knocked him out. They rigged tournaments for Wanderlei. PRIDE to me is to MMA's history what the XFL is to football. It was a joke and very few fighters made it out with their dignity.
 
#3,766 ·
Just watch Fedor and Shogun's fights in Pride. Also, watch the Wandy/Rampage trilogy. There's some great fights in Pride, so I would recommend watching a couple from there.

Also watch Takanori Gomi vs. Nick Diaz when Diaz was high as FUCK while fighting :diaz
 
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I agree watching Pride isn't going to give him a modern MMA expierence. Pride was great for what it was the best in MMA with a slight side show attraction and seedy underbelly but if he wants to get into MMA now then watching a few of the latest events and the next few cards would be the best way to go then backlogging fighters he becomes intrigued by wouldn't be a bad idea. Pride had a whole different astmosphere from the entrances and shouting lady, to the rules, the use of a ring instead of a cage,open weight tournaments, round times, and weight differences it would introduce him to something great but not what MMA is but what but was.
 
#3,771 ·
like who? Wanderlei was already on the backend of his career and has been middling in the UFC but he does have some important wins. Cro Cop was never the same after the Gonzaga KO, and injuries really fucked the end of his career, Dan Henderson has had a pretty successful UFC career, Shogun won the title so he's had a fairly successful career, Rampage has a pretty successful UFC career also winning the belt, Big Nog has had a pretty successful career, Lil Nog has done alright in the UFC, Gomi has had a middling UFC career but his losses are to top guys + a shitty wrong decision vs Sanchez.

Honestly the only guy you can talk about not being as good in the UFC is Cro Cop and he was injured a ton.
 
#3,772 ·
Yeah a bunch of guys with poor records in the UFC. Once these guys had to start actually fighting great fighters it didn't go so well for them. Even Shogun and Nogueira who won titles have bad overall records in the UFC and neither had a single title defense. Neither got another title shot either. Rampage did well but he had left PRIDE before he even came to the UFC. PRIDE was simply a gimmick company with a lot of overrated fighters who have been exposed.
 
#3,775 ·
Shogun had a bad record? The fuck? Since when is 21-7 a bad record? And by the way, look back to those 7 losses, only 5 of which are in the UFC. They're ALL to top tier fighters. He fought Forrest the first time with completely fucked up knees. Proved that he could beat Forrest by KO'ing him at UFC 134. Shogun knocked the FUCK out of Lyoto Machida when he was considered unbeatable, and the MAJORITY of people scored the first fight for Shogun as well. After that, he got murdered by Jon Jones, but that's really no big deal, because Jones is the greatest light heavyweight of all time and he murders everyone else as well. Lost a fight to Dan Henderson, another PRIDE veteran, where you could've made a clear case for a draw. And then lost to Gustafsson who's going to be fighting Jones in September.

Sorry, but how is that a poor record? Please explain to me how on earth you can say that "Once these guys had to start actually fighting great fighters it didn't go so well for them", when most PRIDE guys who came over have only lost to TOP tier fighters in the UFC bar someone like Cro Cop. The MAJORITY of Pride guys have had successful careers in the UFC which completely validates their careers in Pride.

I'm not a Pride fan. Hell, I've never in my life sat through a whole PRIDE event. I didn't even watch MMA back when Pride was running. But it's stupid of you to dismiss it as some bush league shit, because it clearly wasn't. Just ask Chuck Liddell when he got fucked by Rampage in the Pride Grand Prix. If the fact that a Pride guy in Rampage were going toe to toe with Chuck Liddell can't convince you of this, I don't really know what else can.
 
#3,773 ·
Who was around that time in the UFC still has a great career? Couture, Lidell, hughes, Penn, Pulver, Franklin, Griffin, Leben, and Diaz were all top stars during the same time of Pride and all of there careers started to slide at the same time. Hell Liddell was the UFC golden boy at the time and he lost the title to a pride fighter. Franklin lost his title to a pride fighter too.
 
#3,774 ·
GSP, Frank Mir, Rashad Evans, Vitor Belfort and Michael Bisping are all still top ten guys in the UFC that were around then. Three of them have been champion. Also Leben has never been a top guy. He has only sniffed a title shot twice and got his ass kicked both times. Anderson is not really a PRIDE guy and Rampage's only title defense was against another PRIDE guy. Since he lost his title he has been very average.

What about three other guys who were supposed to be great from PRIDE? Sokodju, Kang and Herring were all supposed to be top ten and fizzled out quick. An entire company with dozens of fighters and a handful have been successful since then. I'm not making this stuff up even the "great" Shogun is 5-5 in the UFC. Cro Cop did nothing in the UFC except get KTFO by Gonzaga, Mir, Schaub and Nelson. Finally any company that employed Bob Sapp who is known for throwing fights is a joke.
 
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Sorry, I'm going to have to chime in on this Pride/UFC discussion. Pride was around when I started watching in early 2004 and I have to say, their talent at the time owned the UFC's.

The UFC made a deal with Pride, for Dana's golden boy Chuck Liddell to join the Pride Grand Prix. All UFC fans thought it would be Wanderlei/Liddell in the final but Rampage smashed Chuck and knocked him out of the tournament. Rampage ended up eating classic Wand knees in the final and losing for the second time to him.

You really think fucking Tim Sylvia or Andrei Arlovski, who at the time were the poster boys to the UFC HW division would have come over to Pride and beat Fedor? Sylvia was subbed by Big Nog (Pride fighter) when Nog came to the UFC as well, and they both eventually fought Fedor, and both were finished in the first round. And I'm not a big fan of Fedor either, but facts are facts.

Cro Cop lost his step when he came to the UFC but how is Mark Hunt (K1 and Pride fighter) doing in the UFC again? He was beat by JDS, but JDS wasn't around (in the UFC) when Pride was around anyway and he's the second best HW in the world right now and Hunt held his own in that fight.

To say Pride was a gimmick organization with loads of overrated fighters who have been exposed is a complete joke. Exposed by what exactly, UFC fighters? No. The only thing that exposed them is constant injuries and age. UFC had good talent back then but Pride had better.
 
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