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#1 ·
Amazing new and fresh MMA thread.

Walls loves Faber or something like that.

MMA needs more roundhouses.
 
#3,617 ·
Just watched the fight and I'm so fucking glad Weidman won. Silva is a fantastic fighter but I never understood why he had/has a lot of fans. He comes across as a dick in interviews and in the octagon. Silva took his clowning around WAY overboard and it finally cost him for once, it was a perfect moment. It made no sense to act like Weidman's punches and movement wasn't affecting him anyway because Weidman took Silva down extremely fast at the start and hit him with a few good punches, so Weidman immediately showed he was a worthy opponent. I understand it's part of Silva's game but he was just being a total dick and luckily got caught.
 
#3,636 ·
Munoz isn't getting a title shot ahead of Jacare or Okami. I'd say the winner of Jacare/Okami would get Belfort in a #1 contender fight while Weidman rematches Silva.

Don't care what anyone says, Weidman won last night with skill. Not because he got lucky or not because Anderson threw away the fight. Weidman did very well last night even before the KO. First round was his, and he was holding his own in the standup. All Anderson threw the second round was three leg kicks, while Chris threw some good shots at Anderson's face AND was controlling the centre of the Octagon as well was controlling part of the pace of the fight.
Disagree. Literally until that hook he didn't land much at all standing and striking with Silva.

Anderson was trying to do what he did to Bonnar and all of his other opponents. He was trying to get in Weidman's head and break him mentally. But Weidman held his ground and didn't break. If Anderson did what he did last night to any other opponent, they would've gotten careless, thrown a stupid strike and get countered, but Weidman held his composure and continued to land/throw solid strikes. Fact of the matter is, Maia or Leites or Griffin or Bonnar all could've done what Weidman did tonight when Anderson held his hands down against them also. But they all got discouraged and mentally broken and in some cases careless and let Silva counter KO them.
They all tried to. They were all too slow, not enough reach and look at the end of that fight, Silva had very little footwork which is unusual for him. The ducking and weaving vs Franklin aside, there is very few instances where he doesn't move his feet much when slipping punches. He got caught but a good punch, but he had drawn Weidman into fighting how he wanted him to. Just didn't work out like it usually does.

Weidman also said he trained specifically for Anderson Silva's style, and his clowning is a part of it. He didn't break mentally like most people, and took advantage of Silva's hands being down, something no one else could do. Most of all though, Silva uses his head movement and rolls with the punches to nullify any strikes coming towards him.



ALL of Anderson's opponents always used a 1-2 combo while they punched Anderson when he had his hands down. That is, left jab, right hook or vice versa. That allowed Anderson to roll with punches easily because he would just move his face the same way of the punches every time because it was always a predictable combo from everyone. Also, it's easier to move your head right, then left or vice versa. You could even see it right there in the GIF. First two punches, Anderson rolls with the punches taking little to no damage from Chris's strikes. Those last two are really what catch him off guard though. It's like boxing. Often times, boxers double or triple up strikes from the same hand, and it makes rolling with the punches impossible. That's exactly what Weidman did. He doubled up his right hand jab/strike which caught Silva off guard, and then ploughed him with a left hand that Silva usually never gets from his opponents. Like I said, usually every one of Silva's opponents use the 1-2 combo. Chris was smart about it and doubled up the punches, which caught Silva off guard, and it allowed him to land the left hook which Silva never got.

Silva pretended to toy with Weidman to send him the message that "Your strikes don't hurt me", when in actuality, they did. Weidman says, "Fuck you", kept his composure, and KO'd him using skill.
Not to be pedantic but a 1-2 combo is a left jab, right cross :side: No one is denying that it was a good combination to finish him off, just pointing out the obvious in that Silva didn't need to clown him like that. There is a difference between slipping punches, dodging & using footwork to just straight up mocking. Silva was trying to mock Weidman and got his clock cleaned for it.
 
#3,619 ·
I don't really follow UFC or MMA that match but I decided to watch the Silva/Weidman bout. As soon as Silva started mucking about and was clearly not taking Weidman seriously at all, I had a feeling Silva would get caught and he did. He pretty much threw away that fight himself because he didn't respect his opponent enough to really bring his A game. Had Silva took the fight seriously then who knows, we could have watched a very different outcome.
 
#3,620 ·
I fully expect :asilva to have a rematch Superbowl weekend with Weidman. He was bullshitting that entire post fight interview. Even if Weidman doesn't win the second time, it doesn't matter. I'm glad I got to see Anderson Silva knocked out in my lifetime. Thank god I lived through it. Might have to get a t-shirt with a picture of Weidman KO'ing Weidman made.
 
#3,624 ·
"That's fucking illegal" :dana

In all seriousness, I know Netflix has a bunch of UFC shows. You'd be hard pressed to find FULL events though.

Individual fights are easily findable online. Go to YouTube and type "UFC Free Fight" and there will be some on there too. I never bothered to re watch full events, but rather just the fights I was interested in. I usually googled whatever fight I wanted to watch and they always came up. The best site to watch full fights is probably "MMAVersus" and also "FightVideoMMA".
 
#3,626 · (Edited)
finished watching Dana's scrum, he said Nick Diaz called him the other day bitching that he wanted to come to the fight but every hotel room in Vegas was booked out, Dana says 'its cool, I got you' and sorts him rooms and tickets. Diaz never shows up.

vintage :diaz

edit - ^seen that gif earlier, bit of a stretch innit? could be saying anything
 
#3,633 · (Edited)
My thinking is this:

If somebody couldn't strike for power, it would be a weakness and people would note it.
They would say something like, "Over the course of this man's career, he has shown himself to be
a weak and ineffectual striker."

Well, Anderson Silva always clowns and does the head game. If Silva is just jerking off and trolling in the first round or two, you can swarm him and smash him and if he offers up the head, well, take it and knock his head off. If you tell me that isn't a weakness, Silva clowning so hard that he offered his head up to a guy and got his world rocked, watch this for half an hour.



The point I want to make is, if a guy lost a fight because he had a big weakness everybody knew about it, it would be different to them than Silva's "clowning." Like, if a guy tapped out in the 4th because he's shit against Americanas everybody wouldn't say...

"Oh, that fight didn't mean anything. Only reason Weidman won was because he knew about that Americana weakness."

So, shouldn't this fight mean Weidman was the better fighter that night? He saw a weakness and obliterated Silva.
 
#3,635 · (Edited)
Silva does the head game in order to get into his opponent's mind. It's a way to break the fighter mentally, and doing jiu-jitsu and a little bit of boxing in the past, I can say whole heartedly that the mental game is half the battle. If you're not into it, and have no confidence, you're gonna lose no matter who you are. When you see a guy in front of you, and he keeps dodging and moving and evading your attack, that really fucks up your state of mind. You lose all hope and think, "Jesus christ, this guy is outta my league. I don't even deserve to be in the same ring as him."

That's what Anderson Silva did for the longest time. Would bait opponents in with his hands down, and would make them lose their faith by evading their attacks until they panicked, made a stupid mistake and get KO'd. Happened with Forrest Griffin when he stupidly moved forward chin up throwing the worst possible punching combo. Happened just last year when Chael panicked after not getting Anderson Silva down in the second round, and threw that stupid spinning back fist.

Guys like Griffin and Bonnar threw the stupidest combo's too when Anderson had his hands down. It would be a simple 1-2 combo which allowed Silva to easily roll with the punches. Chris threw two strikes with the same hand which caught Silva off guard allowing him to land that left hook. It really is amazing when you think about it. Chris didn't fall for Silva's mind games. His mentality was pretty much "You're keeping your hands down and evading my shots? Okay great. I'm not going to stop until I hit you", whereas previous fighters had the mentality of "This guy's got his hands down and evading my shots. I'm fucked" and proceeded to throw a stupid strike because of losing confidence which ultimately allowed Silva to counter.




I've watched the fight SEVERAL time at this point. And at first, I thought that Silva would take the rematch too (if there even is one). But the more I watch the fight, the more I shift towards a Weidman wins in the rematch. Took Silva down 15 seconds into the fight. Landed 3 or 4 hard shots on the ground which really caught Anderson's attention. Weidman nearly got a leg lock but Silva escapes.

Back to striking, and Weidman lands a couple good shots straight square to Silva's face while Silva lands a couple leg kicks. Weidman's having some nice head movement and evading some of Silva's strikes as well. Second round starts, and Silva blocks a takedown, which is huge. At this point, 99.9% of fighters Silva faced would've panicked and done some stupid shit, but Weidman kept his composure.

Silva keeps his hands low to defend any take down cause he knows Chris has the ability to and that Chris landed some solid shots last time on the ground. Keeping his hands low also acts as bait for Weidman to keep striking. At this point, Silva's hoping that Weidman loses hope, does something stupid, and that Silva can counter him there. Silva lands a couple leg kicks and punches. Chris lands a couple punches. And then finally, Chris lands one big hook, Anderson pretends to be hurt (when in actuality, that shot probably hurt him), and then Weidman does the sweet combo that's been replayed on GIF so many times to KO Anderson Silva.

As long as Weidman doesn't get overconfident, keeps his composure, I can see him taking the rematch. Anderson really tried hard with some of his strikes. He went for that Vitor kick, went with a forward knee, went with a couple head kicks and some strikes. But alot of them were blocked by Weidman.
 
#3,639 · (Edited)
Disagree. Literally until that hook he didn't land much at all standing and striking with Silva.
There were some very solid strikes that Weidman landed that went unnoticed because everyone was too busy thinking about Anderson Silva and his taunting. I can't find the gifs right now, but I'll provide the times. With 1:48 left on the clock, he landed 2 solid shots. With 1:17 left he landed a big right hook. Lands a couple jabs after that. And then lands two shots before the round ends. Also, the entire round, Weidman blocked the majority of the shots. Silva tried for a jumping knee, a head kick, and a right flickr jab all of which get dodged by Anderson.

Start of round 2, lands a left hook. Another straight right. You could see right here and then Silva REALLY starts talking to Weidman and starts taunting him to REALLY try to get in Weidman's head to no avail. Weidman tries a head kick which misses. And then afterwards, the infamous combo that ended Anderson. Throughout the entire round, Anderson only landed on leg kick. He tried with the front kick ala Vitor but Weidman dodges that.

I'd say since Weidman didn't get KO'd and did stupid shit that allowed Silva to counter him, he MORE then held his own against Silva standing. Just because Silva was taunting Weidman the entire round, doesn't mean he was getting the better of the striking. Weidman was the busier man. All Silva was counting on was Weidman doing something stupid that wold allow Silva to counter him. Weidman didn't and KO'd Silva instead.


They all tried to. They were all too slow, not enough reach and look at the end of that fight, Silva had very little footwork which is unusual for him. The ducking and weaving vs Franklin aside, there is very few instances where he doesn't move his feet much when slipping punches. He got caught but a good punch, but he had drawn Weidman into fighting how he wanted him to. Just didn't work out like it usually does.
They all could've gotten it too if they used the strategy that Weidman used. Weidman isn't the best or the fastest or the most accurate striker, but he got the job done because of right technique and strategy.


Not to be pedantic but a 1-2 combo is a left jab, right cross :side: No one is denying that it was a good combination to finish him off, just pointing out the obvious in that Silva didn't need to clown him like that. There is a difference between slipping punches, dodging & using footwork to just straight up mocking. Silva was trying to mock Weidman and got his clock cleaned for it.
I'm a lefty, so forgive me plz 8*D
 
#3,641 ·
There were some very solid strikes that Weidman landed that went unnoticed because everyone was too busy thinking about Anderson Silva and his taunting. I can't find the gifs right now, but I'll provide the times. With 1:48 left on the clock, he landed 2 solid shots. With 1:17 left he landed a big right hook. Lands a couple jabs after that. And then lands two shots before the round ends. Also, the entire round, Weidman blocked the majority of the shots. Silva tried for a jumping knee, a head kick, and a right flickr jab all of which get dodged by Anderson.

Start of round 2, lands a left hook. Another straight right. You could see right here and then Silva REALLY starts talking to Weidman and starts taunting him to REALLY try to get in Weidman's head to no avail. Weidman tries a head kick which misses. And then afterwards, the infamous combo that ended Anderson. Throughout the entire round, Anderson only landed on leg kick. He tried with the front kick ala Vitor but Weidman dodges that.
he landed one left when anderson was on the cage waving him in. Around the 1:17 mark he landed 1 right cross. Then Silva landed a leg kick, clean jab followed by Weidman missing every shot. Anderson jabbed him a few more times after that, leg kicked him twice, then had a head kick blocked. Literally for the 75 secs the only thing Weidman landed was a glancing jab. the last 2 mins of that fight Anderson landed more shots, and cleaner shots. Unless you want to be a mong like Cecil Peoples and not consider leg kicks as offense.

round two and he does land the hook, straight didn't look to land. Silva stuffs a takedown (his hands were up at that point irish jet ftr), then goes back to the leg kicks. Then Weidman finished with a jab, cross, little back fist, hook (left right right left).
 
#3,642 ·
Not gonna argue back since you're not gonna budge on this. I've rewatched the fight several times now, and it's pretty much showed me that Weidman can hold his own against Silva striking, if indeed it does go there in a possible rematch. The first shot of the ending combo that Weidman landed was also when Anderson had his hands up surprisingly enough, so it's not like Weidman's flurry started with Silva's hands down. Silva pretended to be hurt after that, when in actuality, he probably really was since it was a solid shot. From there, he decided to put his hands down once again to fool Weidman into thinking his shots weren't hurting him, but Weidman kept moving forward and held his ground.

The amount of fuckery that Silva did last night was insane. He did almost the same amount of clowning that he did in the Maia fight, which was a five round, in this fight, which was a 1.5 rounder.
 
#3,643 ·
Different topic but 145 is stacked right now. Edgar, Swanson, Lamas and the Mendes/Guida winner are all top contenders. Not to mention guys like Siver, Koch, Poirier, Oliveira, Hioki and Elkins still hanging around as well. That isn't even mentioning the Aldo/Zombie fight or the Pettis possibilities. This is the most stacked division in my opinion.
 
#3,644 ·
I found the second greatest GIF in history :lol




Also, yeah 145 is really stacked. Swanson, Edgar, Korean Zombie, Pettis, Lamas, Koch, Mendes are all very good fighters and can beat each other on any given night. Even Oliveira and Siver looked good in defeat last night. Very talent rich division. Up there with Lightweight.
 
#3,645 ·
So many people bashing the fight compared it to WWE(match rigging) lol.

Since this is WWE forum, I'll mention it here....Anyone else think that on Raw tomorrow, during someones match, they'll recreate the Silva-Weidman moment(like how Punk-Bryan did that with Silva-Sonnen last year).
 
#3,647 ·
Those saying Anderson didn't try, threw the fight, didn't take Weidman seriously and so on would be best served to stop watching. Point blank, that 'clowning' is strategy and has led guys like Forrest Griffin to mentally check out of the fight within seconds. Mind fuckery has always been a big part of Anderson's game with the difference here being Weidman never wilted like many would. He baited Anderson into moving back, doubled up on his right hand while Anderson's backfoot was nowhere near position, and he leaned to his right square into a left hook. That setup followed by the left hook was masterful.

Dude's a stud, for a guy with only 10 pro fights Weidman's already shown ring generalship beyond his years. Never got psyched out by the antics and managed to out think one of the greatest minds, if not the greatest mind the sport has ever known.





^ Moments before he got sparked, feet are way off balance. It was simply brilliant baiting, Weidman deserves all the credit here.
 
#3,653 ·
Those saying Anderson didn't try, threw the fight, didn't take Weidman seriously and so on would be best served to stop watching. Point blank, that 'clowning' is strategy and has led guys like Forrest Griffin to mentally check out of the fight within seconds. Mind fuckery has always been a big part of Anderson's game with the difference here being Weidman never wilted like many would. He baited Anderson into moving back, doubled up on his right hand while Anderson's backfoot was nowhere near position, and he leaned to his right square into a left hook. That setup followed by the left hook was masterful.
Difference between clowing and dropping your hands and rolling with punches. How many fights have you seen with Anderson where he's stood pretty still/had minimal footwork when in striking range with someone. Aside from the Franklin fight, there isn't many instances. I'm not taking anything away from Weidman, but it was a big error by Silva that allowed that finish to go down.

Good to have you back in the thread btw. Hasn't been the same since a few years back with you, AMP, mikey etc.
 
#3,648 · (Edited)
Contrary to popular belief, I actually really respect Anderson Silva in alot of ways. I really enjoyed the Demian Maia fight because Silva legit gave no fucks and had fun out there. I didn't find it boring at all, in fact, it was fun seeing Anderson fuck with this guy who was worlds below him in striking and had the fear of god put into him by Anderson. Had Silva pulled off the victory last night after that amount of clowning he did, it'd been an amazing sight. Silva is still the greatest fighter of all time at this point, and probably only going to be surpassed by Jon Jones. Regardless, he'll go down as the Muhammad Ali of MMA when it's all said and done regardless of any wins or losses he has in the future. To do what he does at age 35 and over is incredible considering Ali was at the tail end of his career at that point. Not only Ali, but Jordan, Tyson, and all other great athlete fade by mid-thirties while Silva just seems to get better and more impressive.

Only reason I wanted him to lose this bad is because he was undefeated and I didn't like that for some reason. It pissed me off that he was undefeated, and actually that good. Also, it bought down some of the Silva fans that believed that this man was god and no way in hell is ANYONE in any circumstance going to ever beat him. Silva could have one arm tied behind his back, and he would win against the Imperial Army if he wanted to. Also, the fact that he beat Chael Sonnen twice, who's one of my favourite fighters didn't exactly help. But I loved the way he toyed with Bonnar, Maia and Griffin.

Still picking Weidman in the rematch though. Feels very Shogun/Machida like to me. Shogun will always have Lyoto's number no matter what. It's just one of those things. Machida was heavily favoured both times, and rightfully so because Shogun looked like such fucking shit before his fight with Machida, who looked unstoppable until then. Shogun's style was able to perfectly crack the puzzle of Lyoto.

Silva can keep his hands up next time, but I'll predict Weidman taking him down in that case and submitting him. Maybe even a ground and pound finish as Weidman was landing clean shots on the ground before that submission attempt, which according to Rogan was a close call. If he keeps his hands low, we know what happened there already. Clowning or not, Weidman will keep moving forward if Silva keeps his hands low again.

Who knows. A year from now, I may sound insane as hell, but after yesterday, anything is pretty much possible.
 
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