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View Poll Results: Pick the THREE you think will go down this season!

Queens Park Rangers 136 94.44%
Reading 130 90.28%
Wigan Athletic 43 29.86%
Aston Villa 46 31.94%
Southampton 7 4.86%
Sunderland 41 28.47%
West Ham United 7 4.86%
Newcastle United 9 6.25%
Norwich City 11 7.64%
Stoke City 11 7.64%
Fulham 6 4.17%
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:19 AM   #1071 (permalink)
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Our defenders aren't the issues. The problem is defensive tactics and I don't understand why Wenger and Bould apply the same useless defensive tactics every time and every time they fail miserably. As individual defenders, Mertesacker, Koscielny, and Vermaelen aren't bad. They aren't Silva or Hummels, but even if we get in those two, our defensive woes will continue. It's stemming from our game strategy.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:23 AM   #1072 (permalink)
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Mertesacker is pretty bad tbh.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:27 AM   #1073 (permalink)
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Mertesacker is pretty bad tbh.
That is a myth, mate. Mertesacker is a tortoise, but defensively--he's been better than Vermaelen and Koscielny all season long. Vermaelen has committed howlers after howlers, while Koscielny has that "self destruct" button in most games. He's scored more own goals than goals for Arsenal.

Our best defender is, of course, Sagna--who has been playing through pain ever since returning from his ankle injury. Also, the best performance by an Arsenal defender this season is Sagna at CB against Sunderland. In fact, I'd like Sagna to be used as a CB more often. He's our best player when it comes to defending.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:33 AM   #1074 (permalink)
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Yeah and Carra has been better than both Agger and Skrtel this season. That doesn't mean that he's a better defender than either of them at this point in their careers.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:39 AM   #1075 (permalink)
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How would you define a better defender? Vermaelen has been living off on the basis of his reputation and Koscielny has one stellar game and three awful games where he makes schoolboy errors. Plus, none of them seem to function properly without a partnership with Mertesacker.

On paper, yes, Vermaelen and Koscielny are supposed to be better than Mertesacker, if that's what you mean. But in actuality, Vermaelen and Koscielny together is a recipe for disaster. If we're going by reputation, Koscielny and Vermaelen have better reputations but that's because people who don't watch Arsenal week-in and week-out just base them on the back of the "media generated" image.

Vermaelen and Koscielny are skilled better than Per, but they never bother to show it.
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How would you define a better defender? Vermaelen has been living off on the basis of his reputation and Koscielny has one stellar game and three awful games where he makes schoolboy errors. Plus, none of them seem to function properly without a partnership with Mertesacker.

On paper, yes, Vermaelen and Koscielny are supposed to be better than Mertesacker, if that's what you mean. But in actuality, Vermaelen and Koscielny together is a recipe for disaster. If we're going by reputation, Koscielny and Vermaelen have better reputations but that's because people who don't watch Arsenal week-in and week-out just base them on the back of the "media generated" image.

Vermaelen and Koscielny are skilled better than Per, but they never bother to show it.
All you're talking about is form, and chemistry together rather than pure defensive skill. As you said in your last sentence, both Verm and Kos are more skilled than Per. Motivation to play comes from the manager, and the player, but talking simply about who's better then both Verm and Kos have him beat by a lot. To use a comparison from Liverpool, look at Reina and Jones. Reina is obviously a more skilled keeper but he's lazy, makes dumb mistakes and i'd be quite happy to see him go. Jones on the other hand, makes mistakes (like against Oldham ) but you get the sense that he genuinely tries when he's playing. He gives the effort required.
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I think our best defender this season has been cahill

You never notice him. Unless he makes a goal line clearance

Im going to assume thats a good trait in a defender

Azpalacueta and Cole have been very good though
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Our defenders aren't the issues. The problem is defensive tactics and I don't understand why Wenger and Bould apply the same useless defensive tactics every time and every time they fail miserably. As individual defenders, Mertesacker, Koscielny, and Vermaelen aren't bad. They aren't Silva or Hummels, but even if we get in those two, our defensive woes will continue. It's stemming from our game strategy.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:08 AM   #1079 (permalink)
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zaba or nastasic for us, take your pick. both fantastic. both probably the high points of the season too.
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I'd go with Azpilicueta for Chelsea. He is extremely good defensively and has saved our arse numerous times already when our CBs fuck up. Cole has been solid as well.
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