Vettel might move to Ferrari, Marko or no Marko. Folks said Hamilton was career McLaren and that didn't last. Where Massa is back again, and Perez (a former Ferrari backed driver) went to a different team, I could see there being a pre-contract of some sort existing that would have him alongside Alonso in 2014.
As to Mark, every time there's a falling out, or the illusion of one, between Webber and Red Bull folks start speculating as to where he could go. It's obvious that he isn't exactly fond of Vet, but he's stayed on where he is, when other options existed, so I have to think he can't be that unhappy. He is driving a top car for a winning team, which appears to be worth something to him.
If the final breakup is imminent, I can't imagine where he'd hop off to that would be worth it, from his perspective, at this late stage in his career. Lotus (if Grosjean falters again)? Swapping with Massa (for a drive and team pecking order position pretty well the same as the one he has now, only with the possibility of better working relationship with his teammate)? To one of the mid to lower ranked teams for 2014, where he'd have to fight his way around in a slower car? I'm not sure he will even choose to stay in F1 post Red Bull.
To be honest after today's shenanigans I don't think Ferrari would even want Vettel!. Ferrari has always said that no man is bigger than the team, so if Seb was at Ferrari and did THAT, he'd probably have a prancing horse's head on his pillow that night.
As for Mark, he may see it out but I do think that it's possible he'll go on 'gardening leave' if Vettel isn't punished in any way. Mark's a guy who speaks his mind so if nowt happens he may decide to stand by his principles. I do think it's unlikely but I couldn't rule it out.
Vettel won't join Ferrari whilst Alonso is there. He has a clause in his contract that Ferrari can't sign Vettel while Alonso is there. Also with the signings of De la Rosa/Fishichello and being allowed to take test 1 off looks to have his feet firmly under the table. Rumours are Ferrari have bow'd to his demands and will sign an extension to keep Alonso on further than his 2016 contract and the possible signing of Flavio Briatore to Ferrari.
No, and proof of that is in the 1999 Malaysian GP. Schumi was coming back having broken his leg at Silverstone and been out for a while. Irvine, his team mate, was fighting for the championship. Schumi promptly put his car on pole but spent most of the race holding off Hakkinen while Irvine drove off into the sunset and letting Irvine overtake after his final stop.
And Webber gets absolutely horrible 'luck'. You have to wonder whether Marko is sabotaging the guy
Yeah Vettel, albeit honest of him, basically proved he's a piece of shit. Many people don't like him. A lot believed it was because of his success but I personally think the more savvy fans saw through his smoke and mirrors if you will. I was always on the fence. His petulance at times made me more weary of supporting him and his actions at Malaysia did it for me. I knew it was 100% deliberate and that 'apology' was as fake at Katie Price's tits.
Webber isn't staying past next season and there's already reports he has agreed a deal outside of F1. I do feel bad for whoever steps into Red Bull though. Only guy who imo would be able to deal with it is Raikkonen. And tbh I wonder whether he'd actually go given the obvious favouritism at the team. And it's not even within the team, it's from the top. So even if the team think Seb's a piece of crap, they can't do a damn thing about it.
I really hope Webber becomes a thorn in Vettel's side, not even competing for the championship just making sure Vettel doesn't win. That to me would be ultimate poetic justice.
There was action in China but so much of it was determined by tires and DRS that the race felt pointlessly chaotic to me and didn't hold my attention as much as I expected. Could just be me...maybe I'm just not as into F1 as I was a few years ago. The final 10 laps were fairly good though. I'm surprised Vettel didn't catch Hamilton (and relieved that Button at least kept the McLaren in the top 6).
Anyway, I'm happy with who stood on the podium and where. Rosberg and Webber are having no kind of luck so far this season (and where I have Nico as a fantasy league pick I'm pretty unhappy about that). The latest I've heard is that Webber's signed a multi-year Porsche contract, so I guess there's a good chance this is his final year in F1. Not a great way to go out so far.
Class drive by ALO, looked miles ahead of everybody, and his teammate who looked pretty mediocre. loved the implied threesome reference by Coulthard during commentary.
Yeah not sure what happened with Massa tbh. He looked damn good early on, especially with that overtake on Hamilton. He and Hulkenberg too seemed to drop like a stone towards the end of the race. For Massa, he realistically should have finished behind Ricciardo! But the Toro Rosso had a couple of issues (storming drive for the Aussie has to be said). Not sure what happened. Wasn't just those 2 either. Grosjean was miles behind Kimi. Perez was miles behind Button. Rosberg too wasn't having a spectacular race before his retirement but who knows whether that was his performance or whether the car was breaking down the whole time.
Good GP and everything but those soft tyres are ridiculous. I don't mind having tyres that make drivers think about their strategy because it's an aspect of motorsport and I'd hate to see indestructible tyres because it takes away one of the aspects of being a top racing driver. I thought Pirelli had hit the jackpot in 2011 but since then have been told to make tyres which basically manufacture results.
Last year to me was the worst because of how many different drivers won. Even in the most competitive of sports, you'd expect a top driver to have nabbed a second win. Even Maldonado got a win because he was the only guy to perfect tyre strategy. It was too much strategy vs speed.
This year appears to be heading in a similar direction. 3 different winners. I suppose there is a difference for the positive. It feels like less of a lottery. The same guys are appearing at the front and to be fair, in China the top 5 finishers were all of the world champions suggesting that perhaps the tyre situation isn't as bad as you'd think. After all, if your top finishers are all of the world champions, wouldn't that suggest a race result broadly based on ability rather than the car or the tyres?
Yeah I'd love to see Webber go out of his way to fuck Vettel over. I just don't think he'd do that to the whole team, crew etc. Unlike Seb he's very honourable.
Webber will be mature. I think Vettel has some problems going forward though. He basically admitted he doesn't give a shit about the team. If Red Bull brought in someone like Raikkonen who doesn't play politics, doesn't bullshit and just gets on with the job at hand (not to mention being almost universally liked) then I think we could see a monumental chucking of toys out of the pram. And I would pay to see it
Kimi is a legend. I'd be amazed though if anyone but Ricciardo replaces Webber at Red Bull from their partner team. It's been expected for a while and his performance at the weekend for Toro Rosso will reinforce that.
Well if Kimi's available I reckon Red Bull might try and snap him up. They've sponsored him before too in WRC. Ricciardo I think is the current favourite based off his performance in China but if he can't do that consistently I think Red Bull may look to steal Raikkonen from Lotus.
Yeah I see the Anti-Vettel sentiment is alive and well everywhere, be in comment section in newspapers, to forum boards LOL.
Well I'm going against the grain, Webber hasn't been a good supporting team mate like Massa is to Alonso.
Look at last years final race, where Seb is coming through the field to retain his title, webber nearly takes him off, yes sooooo supportive!!!
It's funny I remember posting on the mclaren forum (official team member one), that Alonso's best supporting act wasn't for Massa, who did a fine job, but it was Webber.
There problem is a personality one initially, and he is very good friends with Nando, sheds some light no?
What i find so ironic, the biritish media especially were up in ARMS when german Schumacher passed Barrichelo at austria under 'team orders'.
Everyone rightly argued that is is against the spirit of racing, that even led to a rule change.
However same media are now up in arms for Vettel passing his team mate who he was faster then.
JESUS!!!!
Even Hamilton wanted Nico Rosberg to pass him, but Rosberg showed class and adhered to team orders.
I'm a Mclaren fan from the days of Senna and Prost going wheel to wheel and having a vicious battle (prost is a scumbag and a cheat and started all the bad blood AND cost Senna two titles) so that may explain my mentality to the situation.
Yes Vettel showed little class by what he did, I never said Vettel was classy.
I used class for Rosberg because he acted in a manner, he could have disobeyed it, but didn't.
BUT lets all stop this bullshit, on one hand people complain for someone FOLLOWING team orders, then bitch when another person DOESN'T.
and by default everyone wants Nando to win the WDC this year, the same guy who bitched about hamilton being allowed to RACE him.
Felt so wronged for macca letting team mates race, he gave the info that led to them losing the constructors points.
No surprise he leaked the info at his lowest point with mclaren after it spilled over from him not feeling like the official number 1.
Yet Renault were shown to have done the same thing maclaren did, during nando's time there hmmmmmmmm.
Had his team mate deliberately crash to win a race, he was in the know, yet gets a pass, why didn't he grass on Flavio and Piquet then? Because it was benefitting him?
not for want of trying, he couldn't because they ran out of laps, seriously let's stop with this please!!
Also about the engine thing, why does no one mention the tyres? Vettel was on the faster tyres.
That's ignored though, just like people will ignore Webber disobeyed team orders himself.
''What makes yesterday’s situation more intriguing is that Vettel was on a different tyre strategy from Webber; having made an error by pitting too early for slicks which cost him the lead to Webber, Vettel was attempting to get the win back by running a strategy which would see him on the faster (medium) tyre in the closing stages. Webber was on the hard compound which was around 0.6s per lap slower.''
and the same intention was there, that is what is hypocritical, they both chose to ignore team orders, different end result, but they both have done the SAME thing.
One is not a saint, the other is not a sinner, a racers instinct is to RACE!!!!!!!
Also people (media) can not criticise team orders as against the spirit of racing in one situation, then criticise someone for disrearding team orders to race.
Just for the tyre argument, Vettel was on the faster tyre but it was also the tyre that lasts less, would have probably only got a handful of good laps on it is he was full pushing, meaning Webber probably ends up winning quite comfortably. Either way, I just want tonnes of races from now to the end of the year where they are right near each other just for the tension of what could happen. Would love Webber to take him out last race if the season if it means it costs Vettel the title. Big FU on the way out.
I want to defend Vettel's actions, I've tried and given it lots of thought over the past 3 weeks, but it's not entirely possible other than he doesn't want to be losing points early in the season. People are using hindsight to bash Vettel, and being extremely hypocritical in the process. I can guarantee that the ones who are lamenting his actions, are probably the same ones who support what Alonso does, like Nattie says, just batting an eye away from it. Are probably the same ones who vindicated the use of team orders in other situations. If Vettel wins the championship by 1-6 points, then his victory in Malaysia is even further justified. He did what he needed to do to be World Champion.
Also got to add, dislike the sympathy that Webber is recieving from the press. Where was it for everyone else who fell foul to team orders? They were probably told by the press, and fans, to buck up and accept being #2. And, as an FYI, I do like Webber. He's a great guy, but sport is cut-throat. Vettel is also a great guy, but there is something people get for rooting against the #1 man, the champion. Weirdly, same applies to football, in the shape of Manchester United.
Hate comments like these. It would apply to everyone, even yourself. I would just bash, but it's pointless.
The reason people are kicking up a stink is because for the last 3 seasons Webber has towed the company line and followed team orders to allow Vettel victory (races last year where Webber held up Alonso to prevent a challenge for the race win). When the shoe is on the other foot, Vettel becomes a selfish little cunt and bypasses team orders to steal the spotlight. Yes, he had faster tyres, but if Webber had not shut down his engine, following team instructions, then he goes on to win the race at full race pace.
The only fix for this issue is for the FIA to issue a mandate that makes team orders illegal and forces teams to race the entire duration of a race, to give the fan what they are paying (if in attendance) for, or what they're runing in for, and that's top line racing.
If Webber didn't shut it down and go to ease it over the line like the team orders were then Vettel wouldn't have got past so easily.
You defend Vettel's actions? How so? He went against team orders to selfishly grab extra points. If he tried to attack Webber and got past him when Webber was expecting it, and without Webber easing off his engine then fair play to him but he didn't do that. He was selfish, he went against team orders and its utterly laughble that you think its defendable.
"I think we were racing," said Vettel. "It was not a scheduled 'I move right, you move left, I move left, you move right, I brake here, you brake there.'
"As Mark said, he stayed flat out and tried to race me, as hard as he could, didn't find his way past. To me, at this stage, it's quite amusing."
What's interesting is, Seb's reaction when asked about Webbers public admission of ignoring team orders:
Vettel added that he thought the situation had been blown wildly out of proportion.
"To me at this stage it is quite amusing," he said.
"If it was the other way around, there is no point - of course I would like to overtake Mark at that stage, so no point trying to do something stupid. I don't see why there is such a fuss."
and if I don't manage to respond to any more posts after 4pm, it'll be because I'm leaving work and making my way to the football or soccer some of you lot call it!
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