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Old 03-24-2013, 06:15 AM   #51 (permalink)
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You mean lack of sportsmanship?

I agree with this being the right time for Vettel to return the favours to Webber. It was shown earlier in the race though that Vettel got frustrated early on, what he did was a natural reaction from someone who believes he is the #1 driver. It was unprofessional, but I'm sure after being sat down by the team, he'll give Webber a win back, like he did in Brazil '11.

It is also disappointing to have to discuss things like these. In the end, Vettel 'fairly' earned his victory, but due to the nature of the sport, it'll be discussed in a negative light.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:31 AM   #52 (permalink)
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You mean lack of sportsmanship?

I agree with this being the right time for Vettel to return the favours to Webber. It was shown earlier in the race though that Vettel got frustrated early on, what he did was a natural reaction from someone who believes he is the #1 driver. It was unprofessional, but I'm sure after being sat down by the team, he'll give Webber a win back, like he did in Brazil '11.

It is also disappointing to have to discuss things like these. In the end, Vettel 'fairly' earned his victory, but due to the nature of the sport, it'll be discussed in a negative light.
That's the thing though, he didn't. It wasn't really a straight fight because Webber had turned the wick down so when Seb started attacking, he had basically no time to get his car battle-ready. If Vettel had said he was ignoring team orders then given Mark a fair shout and still overtook him, fair enough. But it was the fact he implemented a sneak attack that did it. This incident reeks of Imola 1982, with Villeneuve and Pironi. However, back then there was a genuine miscommunication. There wasn't any of that here. Vettel wants to win which is fine but honestly he also had a degree of pettiness by ignoring the team orders and launching that attack so quickly. It wasn't just that, it was the fact he was completely willing to risk a 1-2 finish for his own selfish purposes so early on! If I were in that situation I'd basically tell the team to get stuffed regarding holding station, but I'd make sure my team mate got a fair shout. That being said, I'd also want the 1-2 for the team, so I wouldn't be pulling any kamikaze moves like Vettel pretty much did. Webber could have shoved Seb onto the grass but his maturity shone through there imo.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:46 AM   #53 (permalink)
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multi 21 basically means hold position. keep the status quo.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:56 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I agree with the rest in that Vettel was at fault. I dont mind the ignoring of team orders. But if Webber was second going for Vettel, you know Webber would do nothing stupid in the attempt to overtake and attempt to overtake on merit, just like any other overtake, not attack it wrecklessly in the manner Vettel did. If Vettel was patient he could have potentially overtook Webber with a clean racing move, no problems. Of course this would have required the team to tell Webber that Vettel wants to go for it. But yeh Vettel just comes off as a hot head with an inflated ego, what can you do. He's the face of Red Bull.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:01 AM   #55 (permalink)
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i put this on another forum

it's the principle of what he's done.

he's disrespected his team-mate, the engineers and the team as a whole. they, who employ him and pay him his money, and provide him with a race drive, have told him to do one thing. webber has followed the orders. he could just as quickly have said nah **** you and put in good lap time after good lap time. but he didn't. vettel knew that webber would be following team orders, and decided to ignore his employers and attack mark with a very dangerous move.

that's what irks me. the fact he's hit a man when he's down. i don't like team orders, i didn't like what was happening to rosberg, but in the end he still did what was the right thing. vettel has disobeyed his team, and he's taken advantage of his team-mate.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:13 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I think your post paints Vettel as hostile and Schumacher-esque, which I don't think he is. I know that there are more radio messages between the team & driver than what gets put on-air, but judging by his post race interviews, he didn't understand what he was being told. Which means he wasn't told enough. I agree with his overtake being ridiculous, and it doesn't help my points because it was a desperation move. I just have a very different perspective on the rest o fit.

Webber's reaction in future races will be interesting. Most likely he'll ignore any potential team orders. And if he is behind Vettel on that day, that could be very dangerous for Red Bull. Two racing drivers in the team going all the way against each other is always an excellent thing to watch, though. And with these two, they don't like each other very much.
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Another reason to dislike VET, respect to HAM and ROS for dealing with the situation in a more mature manner.

What were Ferarri and ALO thinking? Force India were hilariously bad in the pits, I was rooting for them, tough luck to SUT and DIR.

Is it just me or anybody else enjoying the DRAMA? Since we're on a wrestling forum I kinda feel that all the drama is scripted to add a little spice to an otherwise banal sport, as of late, in the sense of heated rivalries. Wouldn't put it past Bernie to ask VET to turn heel, despite him getting a Cena reaction.
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Jesus, everybodies raging on webber and applauding vettel on the bbc website comments.

Total lack of understanding of the sport.
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If I was Webber I would of rammed Vettel of the track so neither get the 25points. Red bull need to tell him he's nothing without the car, so if he's not gonna play nice go play 2nd fiddle to a decent driver.

Also well done Alonso on doing a lap, keeping a red bull at bay with a fucked front wing. Also had the wing fell off in the pitlane, he would of lost control and killed people.


So to sum up Malaysia, Vettel steals 25points and Alonso saves the lives of the pit crew. *insert Alo face*
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