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Old 03-23-2013, 09:03 PM   #41 (permalink)
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^Agree on Sauber. From what I see of McLaren, both Button and Perez are doing wonders in a car that just isn't all there. I still maintain it is the 6th fastest car on the grid but Button's mixing it a bit further up and now Perez seems to want to join the party but still needs to find a couple of tenths.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:09 PM   #42 (permalink)
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i dont rate perez. especially as a consistently solid driver who will continually score you results. seems to be in the takuma sato mould. essentially fast but won't get you the results through one thing or another.

button isn't a leader either. he isnt the kind of guy to lead a team through a difficult period. it doesnt help that mclaren have basically given them both a heap of shit with 4 wheels and a steering wheel, but ferrari gave alonso the same for the start of last season and he managed fine. mclaren seem to be a mess behind the scenes too so im not too surprised. midtable.
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I'm tipping Massa to win tonight
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Listen to this!!! Webber's wife to Sky Italy: "This is disgusting! We saw today who in RedBull is the real team player!"

sums it up really. that move from vettel was bloody dangerous down the straight. mark and newey quite rightly mad after the race.
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The finish was one of the most bumming things I've seen in F1. Depressing, killed the enjoyment of a very good race up until that point. I enjoyed Vettel's challenge on Webber, but no doubt it has very bad & ugly aftertones for the team. In response to the 'team player', both men had the ego to go out and win it. Only one of them was going to get there what they wanted. It's just a pity it ended that way.
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It's very hard to say who's faster than who because some teams setup their cars for a race in rain and others for a race in dry conditions. I'm pretty sure Ferrari expected heavier rain.
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Awful display there by
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A lot of team orders being used here. I'm adamantly against them. You earn your keep. F1 drivers are specifically designed for winning so being able to cleanly overtake is something of an essential quality. At times the teams just don't have that trust in their drivers. McLaren have done with Hamilton and Button previously and most of the time it worked out (Canada 2011 being an exception) so it's definitely possible. That being said, if your team mate is under the impression you're going to hold station, have the courtesy to say that you're ignoring the team orders before launching an attack. Webber didn't see it coming and the move turned out to be quite dangerous.

As for Mercedes, Hamilton said it best and my respect for him has increased after his comments on the podium. Whatever your opinion of Hamilton he's not the guy who asks for team orders to be implemented. Pretty disgusted with Brawn and the pit crew though. I understand bringing your cars back in one piece but at the end of the day, Hamilton was never going to lose any more positions and Rosberg was the quicker car. Nico could have driven past on the straight safely (which he did one time actually) easily so I don't understand why Mercedes would do that.

Helmut Marko's comments were interesting. We all know he isn't Webber's biggest fan and treats Seb like a son. He wasn't altogether happy with proceedings either though. He was able to get a stab at Merc though saying that they had a clear No.1 and No.2 driver. That might drive a wedge.

One standout performance was Button in the Macca. Did a phenomenal job in that car and unfortunately a pit stop error cost him 5th place at least. The way Button was setting fast lap times trying to get back into the points before retiring told me he may have had a podium shout with Lewis' fuel issues. But this was less likely. Man of the race for me.
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Could someone please explain to me what Webber meant when he told Vettel "Multi 21"?
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it's a matter of principle. the amount of times webber has abided by team orders when he had the faster car. vettel only started catching mark after he was told to turn the engine down to save fuel and tyres and whatnot and told TWICE that vettel wouldn't attack him. vettel then pulls out a very ridiculous move and basically pisses in the face of mark and anyone who's told him the rules. it's ridiculous.

multi 21 basically means hold position. keep the status quo.
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