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Old 03-17-2013, 03:05 AM   #21 (permalink)
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this lotus looks good. damn good. two stopped and kimi was still pulling away at the end. tyre degradation will always be such a massive factor and if lotus have managed to harness that pace AND keep the tyres good, they'll be a force.
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Well that was a great race real happy Kimi won and it was good strategy , I though Ferrari was quickest car in the race but they were trying and cover red bull .Should be interesting season

Red bull are quick but are eating their tires real quick needs to work around it
Lotus pretty good on its tires but qualifying and heating tires might be a problem
Ferrari looked pretty good with both drivers looking very comfortable
Mercedes well not so sure they had long run on softs but they seemed lack bit of race pace
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Great race. Kind of confirms what I've always believed which is the current 'cream of the crop' are the 2 drivers who have been such since 2005. Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen. What makes them more dangerous now is even though they may not have the one lap pace of a Sebastian Vettel or Lewis Hamilton, they know how to race, as exhibited today. Raikkonen played that Grand Prix perfectly while Alonso knew what he had to do to get past Massa, Sutil and Vettel and he did so in one strategy call. Championship looks to be interesting. Here's what I reckon the pecking order is:

Red Bull: Fastest over a single lap but anything longer and they're quickly drawn in. Didn't help themselves by not doing many race simulations in testing.
Ferrari: Pretty good in qualifying and probably the fastest overall race package.
Lotus: Just like last year, they're probably 3rd or 4th in terms of qualifying but in the race they're comparable with Ferrari. On pure pace they're probably a tenth or two off but they're the easiest on the tyres which will be vital at points this season.
Mercedes: Like Red Bull, the car is a better qualifier than racer. Qualifying-wise they can mix it up with Ferrari and maybe Red Bull depending on circumstances. However, in the race, it's clear the car is fundamentally slower than Red Bull, Ferrari and Lotus.
McLaren: Oh dear. Made a bold move to go revolutionary with their design, feeling they'd reached the end of the development curve with their former car (which was actually pretty handy). 5th fastest car in qualifying but at least 6th and well and truly mid-pack in the race. I'm in the minority that support the decision to make the change. Like McLaren though I expected they'd at least be closer to the front, possibly on a par with Mercedes' race pace.
Force India: Fairplay. The car is handy. On a par with McLaren in qualifying trim and a beast on race day. They're definitely a step ahead of the other midfield runners now and for the time being, they've surpassed McLaren overall.
Sauber: Tough to say. Gutierrez was ok but behind both Toro Rossos in the race, something Sauber won't want. I do however fancy Hulkenberg would have made it into the points. I'd have pegged him for 7th-9th.
Toro Rosso: Not too brilliant in quali but their gamble for a wide set up range has paid off in race trim. Both Ricciardo and Vergne in particular were pacey in the race, getting in amongst McLaren. What a change from last year I suppose. It must be said though that Toro Rosso have started strong before then petered out.
Williams: Like McLaren they seem to have gone the wrong way. I have a feeling though that Williams' woes are what McLaren feared with their 2012 design later on in the season.
Marussia: They've jumped Caterham and in Jules Bianchi they appear to have a very handy driver. 10th place in the Constructors' Championship is very achievable with him at the wheel.
Caterham: They got rid of 2 drivers who should still be on the grid, Kovalainen in particular. And..they're paying for it. They seem to have bulit a garden shed that Pic to his credit is doing a half decent job with (though I wonder whether that's due to Chilton not being all that good).
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Why is Webber such a poor starter? Surely he would identify it as a major flaw in his racing and would work on improving it. Kimi was great, Alonso though may beast it this season.
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^The Iceman may have something to say about that. Kimi was Fernando's major rival back in '05, it may be that we have a similar situation here. Raikkonen looks very good.
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The Ferraris hounding Hamilton and then hunting down Vettel was probably the greatest site ever.

So can this Red bull not perform in turbulent air because they set up for the pole position and a clean air race?

Bianchi is gonna show Chilton up this season.
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Great to see Kimi get the win. I hope he can push even further this season, Lotus too and the early signs are good!
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The Ferraris hounding Hamilton and then hunting down Vettel was probably the greatest site ever.

So can this Red bull not perform in turbulent air because they set up for the pole position and a clean air race?

Bianchi is gonna show Chilton up this season.
Everyone and their mother knew that. Chilton hasn't really proven himself while Bianchi, although a bit too enthusiastic and crashes a fair bit, is undoubtedly fast.
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Chilton is British, so his flaws aren't going to be exposed on British TV and in the Britishmedia. For Bottas, and Williams, not a great start for them. Maldonado wasn't capable of much either before going off. I am guessing they went down the McLaren route of trying a completely new car? Or was the loss of Senna, addition of Bottas, a fair loss in cash? Can't imagine he brought in a good deal of money anyway, he got the seat based on his prior accomplishments, and pure pace.

@Kingfunkel & Red Bull, definately. Their tyres went off quickly once Vettel became stuck behind Sutil, then Alonso. You saw the pace he had at the start of the race. Just went straight off, then either settled for taking the car home, or his tyres started to grain very quickly. Webber wasn't capable of doing very much either, except overtaking Sutil, who was degrading quickly. Can't remember if he overtook Button and Perez, which wasn't much of a feat anyway.
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Chilton is British, so his flaws aren't going to be exposed on British TV and in the Britishmedia. For Bottas, and Williams, not a great start for them. Maldonado wasn't capable of much either before going off. I am guessing they went down the McLaren route of trying a completely new car? Or was the loss of Senna, addition of Bottas, a fair loss in cash? Can't imagine he brought in a good deal of money anyway, he got the seat based on his prior accomplishments, and pure pace.

@Kingfunkel & Red Bull, definately. Their tyres went off quickly once Vettel became stuck behind Sutil, then Alonso. You saw the pace he had at the start of the race. Just went straight off, then either settled for taking the car home, or his tyres started to grain very quickly. Webber wasn't capable of doing very much either, except overtaking Sutil, who was degrading quickly. Can't remember if he overtook Button and Perez, which wasn't much of a feat anyway.
On Williams, yeah I think they went the same way as McLaren. Williams do think there's a good car in there but haven't found it yet while McLaren appear to have made a couple of errors which have made the car fundamentally crap.

Webber didn't overtake Button. In fact I don't think anyone did on the track. Both Webber and Di Resta got past as a result of pit stops. JB actually did a great job in that McLaren thinking about it. Made the car wide and only lost 3 places (to a Red Bull and 2 Force India's, all quicker cars) and he was able to keep Grosjean behind him the whole race.
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