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Old 11-24-2012, 09:34 PM   #911 (permalink)
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man management is part of the job, but success is a bigger part. success at tenerife, valencia, liverpool + individual awards outweighs his poor run at inter, while he still won a couple of cups. he fucked up, and i'm sure he'd admit it, but that doesn't make him a terrible manager.

it's such a fine line. if rafa had come in and improved inter even more, people would be hailing what a genius he was at taking a great team and making it even better. instead the inter players resisted change (sound familiar joel?) and everything collapsed underneath him. players like materazzi (john terry) were complete tools and inter fell apart. hell, they still haven't recovered properly, they're on the up but rafa wanting different players wasn't the most ridiculous thing ever. full of old players on big wages. sound familiar again?

you can argue his time outside inter. you could argue taking tenerife and extremadura up to the top division. you could argue him winning 2 league titles with valencia. you could argue his champions league win. you could argue his numerous cup wins. you could argue his numerous personal awards. you could argue how he brought suso, sterling, shelvey and completely changed the liverpool academy. see, it's easy to pick and choose certain parts of his career to suit other arguments too.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:36 PM   #912 (permalink)
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You know, I heard something today that really resonated with me

Roberto brought a sense of honor, dignity, calmness, tradition, history, togetherness and class. He honoured us, but it seems there is no point in bringing a man like that to a club that likes to be dirty.

Chelsea FC dont deserve Roberto DiMatteo. After the way board acted, we deserve Rafa Benitez

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Fucking hell, lad.

You just lost a manager, not a childhood sweetheart.
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Yes actually. Shouldn't have been sacked.
Keep fooling yourself.

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He didn't though, he saw that a pretty old squad (Mourinho doesn't do youth) needed certain parts replacing but wasn't given the money to do so. Unlike Mourinho.
When those certain parts don't get replaced, then you have to make do and find what is the best tactic for those parts to make an effect. Not do what you want to do. Mr. Villas-Boas also found this out the hard way.

Mourinho's Real Madrid side is very young for the record.

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Well we finished on 82 points in 05-06. We finished in the CL Final in 06-07. We didn't do much in 07-08 although we got to the semi's of the CL. 08-09 you mentioned. 09-10 we did awful in the league although we did get to the Semi-Finals of the Europa League So how far away from major trophies were we? Well, not very. With a side constructed on average money he was able to be challenging for something in May of every year he was with us. Frankly that's what I'm after from a manager.
Not far away is not winning. The league is always the measuring stick. And Rafa was never really close to winning it bar that one season.

Average money? Don't be silly. Rafa spent and spent at Liverpool. This was discussed just a few days ago. I don't get why Liverpool fans have a hard time accepting the amount he spent.

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I like that you think Benitez gives two fucks about Mourinho. Mourinho may care about him but Benitez doesn't give a fuck. He took the Inter job because they were the European Champions and offered him it. That's how shit he is by the way, after finishing seventh in the league with us the Champions of Europe wanted him.
He does:

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Take a read. I'm sure you'll say it's a conspiracy against your beloved Rafa though.

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He also won the Spanish League with a team not called Barcalona or Real Madrid. Twice. And the UEFA Cup. And the World Club Championship.
And credit to him for the Valencia success. I have no bones with that. It was a long time ago though. I'm speaking about his recent success.

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But carry on with the Mourinho love in. As I said, when he does well with you it'll wind you up even more which will actually be enjoyable. Also get ready for some of your players to say how much he has made them better players. That happens a lot.
The only thing that will wind me up is if he is still a part of my club come summer.

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man management is part of the job, but success is a bigger part. success at tenerife, valencia, liverpool + individual awards outweighs his poor run at inter, while he still won a couple of cups. he fucked up, and i'm sure he'd admit it, but that doesn't make him a terrible manager.
Tenerife, Valencia and his trohpies at Liverpool were a long time ago. Why is it so hard to understand that his last years in work have been shocking?

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it's such a fine line. if rafa had come in and improved inter even more, people would be hailing what a genius he was at taking a great team and making it even better. instead the inter players resisted change (sound familiar joel?) and everything collapsed underneath him. players like materazzi (john terry) were complete tools and inter fell apart. hell, they still haven't recovered properly, they're on the up but rafa wanting different players wasn't the most ridiculous thing ever. full of old players on big wages. sound familiar again?
It's not that they resisted. It's that it did not suit them. But Rafa couldn't understand that could he? No. Like AVB it was either his way or no way. And like AVB he was rightfully sacked in less than a year. Unfortunately for Inter there was no fairytale ending like there was for Chelsea.

All Rafa had to do was bide his time. Finish the season strongly. Gain Moratti's full trust and he'd have money to spend. Or maybe there was just no money to spend, since they didn't really spend the season after (they had to sell Eto'o). Rafa should have known the situation.

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you can argue his time outside inter. you could argue taking tenerife and extremadura up to the top division. you could argue him winning 2 league titles with valencia. you could argue his champions league win. you could argue his numerous cup wins. you could argue his numerous personal awards. you could argue how he brought suso, sterling, shelvey and completely changed the liverpool academy. see, it's easy to pick and choose certain parts of his career to suit other arguments too.
I can simply say none of these awards and trophies are recent. Apart from the Coppa d'Italia and the Club World Cup, none of those trophies are from his last four years of management. That's all I have to say. It's that simple.

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Yes actually. Shouldn't have been sacked.
you having a laugh son? Kenny utterly wasted so much fucking money while keeping/dropping us to mid table. He was utter garbage in his last run with us.

oh and regarding the Rafa point, Joel quit whinging you muppet. He's not that bad. He's not great but you're acting like its the end of the fucking world that he's got the gig at Chelsea. Don't worry, you won't have him for long and you can soon start whinging about the next manager you have next august.
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He won a European Cup with Igor Biscan, Djimi Traore and Milan Baros and you think he can't get the best out a squad of players?
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you having a laugh son? Kenny utterly wasted so much fucking money while keeping/dropping us to mid table. He was utter garbage in his last run with us.

oh and regarding the Rafa point, Joel quit whinging you muppet. He's not that bad. He's not great but you're acting like its the end of the fucking world that he's got the gig at Chelsea. Don't worry, you won't have him for long and you can soon start whinging about the next manager you have next august.
Yeah because Dalglish was the one who controlled how much we paid for players and not some corrupt cunt who was sacked before the end of the season. Utter garbage? Two Cup Finals and that's what you get from your fucking own support? Christ, do you phone into radio call-ins much? We couldn't finish our chances last season in the league and that's why we suffered. After the Arsenal defeat at home we just gave up and Kenny deserves criticism for letting the team do that but he deserved the chance to bring in players to fix our problems without Comolli.
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Fucking hell, lad.

You just lost a manager, not a childhood sweetheart.
Honestly now that I think about it , Segunda was right. Abra is killing football and Chelsea. Roberto was different than all the managers for one reason. He once wore Blue. He was there looooooong before Abra. As a player he was one of our few gems in the 90s. And as a manager, he did miracles.

And then the board looked for the first mistake he made and jammed the knife in his back. They couldnt wait to sack him. DiMatteo was a true blue and a link to us before we hit it big. His sacking is basically telling the old Chelsea, and the fans , to go fuck themselves.

They may be old as hell and one is a bastard, but Lampard and Terry need to be back ASAP because currently I'd kill for one familiar face and a shred of stability
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Yeah because Dalglish was the one who controlled how much we paid for players and not some corrupt cunt who was sacked before the end of the season. Utter garbage? Two Cup Finals and that's what you get from your fucking own support? Christ, do you phone into radio call-ins much? We couldn't finish our chances last season in the league and that's why we suffered. After the Arsenal defeat at home we just gave up and Kenny deserves criticism for letting the team do that but he deserved the chance to bring in players to fix our problems without Comolli.
Yeah we won the Carling Cup b/c we played with a near full strength side every round while all the top teams were playing reserves.

Putting no blame on Kenny for the transfers is ridiculously naive.

Losing 14 fucking games is fucking hopeless.
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Yeah we won the Carling Cup b/c we played with a near full strength side every round while all the top teams were playing reserves.

Putting no blame on Kenny for the transfers is ridiculously naive.

Losing 14 fucking games is fucking hopeless.
I'm not putting no blame on Dalglish. Downing, Henderson and Adam are still shit. However, I don't think, if he had his choice, he would have paid the same money for them. He didn't control what we paid. He didn't control who we scouted either. He told Comolli what type of player he wanted and Comolli brought him back a list.

I don't give a fuck who we played in the competition, we still won it, I still got to go to Wembley for the first time. We were in three competitions last season, won one, came 2nd in the other and did poorly in the league (in part because we ended up focussing on the cups). But trophies don't matter anymore apparently because now we must all bow down to the God of Fourth Place and all his monetary promises.

For the Cup runs alone, Dalglish deserved another summer without Comolli.
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