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Old 01-24-2013, 06:08 PM   #7461 (permalink)
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Also, can't we just employ Schmeichel to stand beside the goal during games to shout at the defence? De Gea will save stuff but he's a delicate flower, he can't be mean to the players.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:15 PM   #7462 (permalink)
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He has criticised him - only recently he criticised him over the Newcastle mistake.

You can't expect a 22 year old keeper to have the same presence as our last two top keepers, Schmikes and Ed. He's 22. He's playing for arguably the biggest club in the world. He has performed incredibly well this season, and any slight hint of an error is jumped upon by idiots that don't know what they're talking about.

Gary Neville comes out saying he fucked up - the same Gary Neville that has firmly jumped behind the Joe Hart bandwagon. It's a media circus out there and it's influencing the opinions of those incapable of coming to their own.

There are so many more culpable players in that squad, and at fault for that goal.
Why throw that in there.
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Why throw that in there.
It adds to the pressure and weight of expectancy, as well as the level of scrutiny he has received, which is apparent in the media's response to his every game.

If changed to one of the biggest clubs in the world you surely wouldn't object to the validity? Let's not argue semantics
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Why throw that in there.
because its harder with the pressure of playing for United, than it is with Atletico Madrid
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You're either capable of dealing with that pressure or not though. If he can't handle it he'll constantly keep fucking up. Very rare for players to get a grasp on it without starting again at another (usually lower) club.
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He has criticised him - only recently he criticised him over the Newcastle mistake.

You can't expect a 22 year old keeper to have the same presence as our last two top keepers, Schmikes and Ed. He's 22. He's playing for arguably the biggest club in the world. He has performed incredibly well this season, and any slight hint of an error is jumped upon by idiots that don't know what they're talking about.

Gary Neville comes out saying he fucked up - the same Gary Neville that has firmly jumped behind the Joe Hart bandwagon. It's a media circus out there and it's influencing the opinions of those incapable of coming to their own.

There are so many more culpable players in that squad, and at fault for that goal.
Fair enough, I've only seen him praise him endlessly.

I'm not expecting him to have the same presence, just some presence on crosses. He's a United keeper, that's what is expected of him, regardless of age.

I've slated Hart plenty of times on here so don't even start with that.

I agree that the defence should take some responsibility, but to say that punch was acceptable is laughable.
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You're either capable of dealing with that pressure or not though. If he can't handle it he'll constantly keep fucking up. Very rare for players to get a grasp on it without starting again at another (usually lower) club.
That's simply not true - especially for a goalkeeper. In recent years, Darren Fletcher, Johnny Evans, Danny Welbeck, Ronaldo and Nani all needed a few years to grow and develop. The only, ONLY, way to do that with a keeper is to give him the necessary time and games. The United defence has been really poor this season - De Gea has had to make far more saves than a Utd keeper usually would. He's performed admirably, and his age cannot be discounted.

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Fair enough, I've only seen him praise him endlessly.

I'm not expecting him to have the same presence, just some presence on crosses. He's a United keeper, that's what is expected of him, regardless of age.

I've slated Hart plenty of times on here so don't even start with that.

I agree that the defence should take some responsibility, but to say that punch was acceptable is laughable.
He has had presence on crosses though - it's improved massively. You can visibly see that from this season and last. His age cannot be discounted that simply - he was bought as an investement and an investment needs to be given time and not scrutinised to point of derision over nothing issues. Every single goal that goes in is accompanied with an attempt to blame De Gea, and it's getting tiresome. I won't say that punch is acceptable, but we would already have been level was it nor for him earlier in the match. If I'm a manager, I'm fucking furious that the ball is conceded so easily on the edge of the box in the 92nd minute.

My point about Hart was merely a comparison in media reaction and I meant no offence on your own opinion of him....I haven't a fucking clue what that is in the first place
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Why throw that in there.
It's actually a legitimate point, to be fair.
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That's simply not true - especially for a goalkeeper. In recent years, Darren Fletcher, Johnny Evans, Danny Welbeck, Ronaldo and Nani all needed a few years to grow and develop. The only, ONLY, way to do that with a keeper is to give him the necessary time and games. The United defence has been really poor this season - De Gea has had to make far more saves than a Utd keeper usually would. He's performed admirably, and his age cannot be discounted.



He has had presence on crosses though - it's improved massively. You can visibly see that from this season and last. His age cannot be discounted that simply - he was bought as an investement and an investment needs to be given time and not scrutinised to point of derision over nothing issues. Every single goal that goes in is accompanied with an attempt to blame De Gea, and it's getting tiresome. I won't say that punch is acceptable, but we would already have been level was it nor for him earlier in the match. If I'm a manager, I'm fucking furious that the ball is conceded so easily on the edge of the box in the 92nd minute.

My point about Hart was merely a comparison in media reaction and I meant no offence on your own opinion of him....I haven't a fucking clue what that is in the first place
I haven't seen the improvement personally. If you mean taking balls that he's unchallenged for then fair enough, but that's basic stuff that any premier league keeper should do.

I've said it before but I don't think that his problem is down to age/experience, his judgement seems okay, but he just doesn't have the physical presence to get through crowds. Is that likely to change? That's the first thing that I would have been trying to help him develop if I was at United as a fitness coach. If he remains that slender then he's going to struggle, meanwhile you have to consider whether an increase in mass would effect his agility. It's not that simple a problem to fix.

The goals that he has been responsible for (at least partly) are the ones where he parries the ball straight back out and the others where he fails to intercept/deal with crosses. I can accept that he's a fantastic shot stopper but his handling lets him down at times, as does his positioning. There probably isn't a keeper with better reflexes in the league but unfortunately for him it's not all about that.
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Yeah I suppose, thought he was doing it just to instigate but I can understand the point, on the keeper topic Sir Chezzer has been pretty good since coming back for that shitbag Mannone, the goals we concede are usually always down to our poor defending though and this post was also a test for my new Giroud sig
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