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Old 01-21-2013, 06:54 AM   #6981 (permalink)
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Arsenal could learn something from this. There's a fine line between allowing youngsters to develop and blind faith when a player doesn't develop as expected.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:58 AM   #6982 (permalink)
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For me, centre back and goalkeeper aren't positions to learn your trade in at a high level. Lots of mistakes can damage a young player's confidence at the top level. Mistakes will happen when inexperienced players play in those positions.

Good point about Zaha, Fergie might as well stick to old pros if that's the current cost of top youngsters. Good grief.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:00 AM   #6983 (permalink)
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Well every team needs the right mix. That's why players like Rio, Carrick and RVP are so important to us outside of their natural talents. I honestly think that the vast majority of them players will turn out to be "United Class" in a season or two. I get why some Utd fans aren't confident about De Gea turning around but I personally am. Performances like the one at Stamford Bridge last year are just a sign of what he can do. The natural talent is there, no doubt. Dealing with crosses is something a lot of foreign keepers struggle with when they first come over and he's definitely improved in that department compared to last season. Still a lot of room for improvement though. Concentration is something that comes with experience too and the more he plays with a regular back 4 the better the understanding will become. Rafael and Evans should be permanent fixtures for a long while now and Rio/Vidic still have enough in them to be regular partners for Evans if they stay fit. Rafael was a lost cause to a lot of Utd fans as recent as the start of this season and look at how far he's come in just the past few months.

For all the complaints everyone throws at this current Utd squad people seem to easily forget that we're favourites to win the league this season from our current position and only lost the league last season on GD after throwing it away at the end. But of course as Thommo says we're a "borderline average" team with Van Persie.

Edit: Can't wrap players up in cotten wool forever. Especially if they wanna be a permanent fixture at Utd under Fergie. If you can't handle making a costly mistake then you're not right for Utd. For me, I'd rather a player like Smalling or De Gea make a mistake in a team they'll be playing in for years to come that can be corrected internally rather than sending them to a team like Reading to make them mistakes and not really learn anything from them. The bigger the mistake and the more costly, the less likely they are to make it again and more likely to learn from it.
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I can think of more than 2-3, that's for sure. Real Madrid's late goal, one against Spurs, jinky Johnson's near post effort, the flap against us and that's without having seen all of City's games/highlights.
madrid's late goal was all kompany. not sure how you're expected to save a ball that you cant see until the guy in front of you suddenly hits the floor.

spurs one i legit cant remember.

johnson goal, norwich yep.
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Balance is the key. There's nothing wrong with constantly looking to your youth as the future and blooding them into the team, especially if you're a smaller club who has to make do with what's given to them. Ferguson generally has a good mind for how to bring youth players through though. As Andre says having someone like Van Persie allows the likes of Welbeck and Hernandez to get game time whilst still having the likes of Van Persie and Rooney as people the fans will expect regular goals from. Having players like Ronaldo, Evans, Rafael, Jones mixed in with experienced professionals like Van Der Sar, Evra, Ferdinand, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick allows them to get game time and learn from the experienced players whilst also having less pressure and expectation to deliver instantly when they're surrounded by already developed and top draw players who bear a greater sense of pressure from the fans and media alike.

I agree De Gea has his faults and I don't think anyone could reasonably argue that he doesn't possess weaknesses which will constantly leave you fretting from time to time. Anark and Vader make good points about being a goalkeeper and having these issues is different than say a promising winger, especially as a keeper really needs to be your last line of defence and can un-do the good work of a defence if his positioning and handling of set pieces is a recurring problem. That being said, Seabs' point about Evans is a good example. De Gea shows promise and potential and whilst it'll be a recurring issue of the odd mistake, he'll only develop and adjust to improving his game by being exposed to teams who'll look to exploit his troubled areas. Its tough for him because he doesn't have the benefit of having a more experienced/secure alternative, so its a case for him where long term potential can only be discussed so many times after a mistake, compared to someone like Jones who could have a bad game and have the likes of Rafael, Scholes, Cleverley or Carrick to replace him and allow him to not be exposed and severly scrutinised by the media. It is a gamble with placing such responsibility on De Gea, but sometimes in football taking that gamble that could come back to bite you is what can motivate and develop a long term investment that pays dividends.
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People are too harsh on de Gea IMO, he kept us in the game yesterday with 2 or 3 great saves, but no one remembers them. Im guessing if Lindegaard comes in for the FA cup game, as he hasnt played a while, everyone will be saying de Gea has been dropped. I hope Fergie sticks with de Gea.

BlackAndre you do go over the top with your criticism of de Gea, i remember someone in the chatbox was saying his save against Mata last season was the save of the season, but you thought that was funny and said Ruddy have made loads of better saves.


If a young player makes a mistake or doesnt play well people always seem to go over the top. For instance Welbeck, if he has a bad game, united fans go on about he should be sold or shouldnt be starting. As Seabs said it was the same with Evans, think its still funny that opposition fans still ridicule Evans, most likely they havent seen him play recently.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:10 AM   #6987 (permalink)
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Don't want to sound like but I honestly think that De Gea needs to hit the gym if he's ever going to control his area. I don't think his judgement is poor on crosses, he just doesn't look confident when trying to get through crowds.

It's fair to say that Kompany should have blocked that shot Snrub, but a high quality keeper should be able to react to long distance shots that are very close to him, in my opinion. It wasn't as if Vincent (WAAAAAALLLTTTT!!!!) was standing right infront of him, there was time to react and Hart has great reflexes, usually. Again, that goes back to the "for his standards" thing. I'm notoriously harsh on keepers so take it with a pich of salt.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:14 AM   #6988 (permalink)
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did you see ronaldo's shot? it dipped like a motherfucker. if it didn't do that i reckon he might have stopped it. completely killed our campaign before it started looking back. looked a broken team in the rest of the games. always easy to pick out when that happens.
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Oh I saw the shot alright, but I've also seen Hart save many similar shots with ease. I expect him to save those shots because that's his level, usually.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:20 AM   #6990 (permalink)
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the bounce in front absolutely killed him. he's expecting it to be higher, and then it drops faster than skrillex and bass. he could've done better, but many top keepers would've struggled massively. hell, just look at casillas with kolarov's effort, that was a shocker of a goal to let in and wasn't anywhere near as difficult
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