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Old 01-21-2013, 06:02 AM   #6971 (permalink)
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People are up in arms though. The Hart thing comes from the British Media never criticising him when he does something like that but always jump on De Gea when he does. None of Utd's defence ever seem to get credit for strong defensive displays like yesterday for 90 minutes but as soon as there's a blip (the last minute) everyone jumps over it and makes Utd's defence out to be totally incompetent.

Anyone who's denying De Gea's shortcomings are just completely blind. There's no denying them. We just have to stick with him for a bit. Still 5 points clear so we're doing something right. He's already improved a ton since this time last season and he's still very young. How many keepers his age are better? Agreed with Vader that he doesn't make you very confident as a fan but you have to stick with young players through early problems. Look at Ronaldo during his first season or two compared to where he ended up at.

Loaning him out isn't the answer. He needs experience in this team with this defence in this league.
I agree that Hart gets away with a lot of mistakes with the Media, and De Gea is jumped on every time he does something bad. The reason is because 1. Hart is English, and 2. The transer fee they payed for De Gea.

Better keepers his age? Courtois, and Ter Stegen are the only ones i can think of that are in the same age range and are really good.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:15 AM   #6972 (permalink)
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there's no point continually pointing to the media. im not refering to the english media. of course english players get away with so much more. just like spaniards in spain, italians in italy. i don't live in england, so it has no effect on what i believe. im only commenting about this board, where if hart makes that mistake there's a line of people to pounce on it. and mistakes should be pointed out.

people are continually pointing out de gea's shortcomings because there are people who won't accept that he has them. it's what blackandre says. once the shortcomings are addressed there's no real need to point it out every time i happens is there? the only way a player learns is through being told of their mistakes and working through them. if a player can't deal with that then tough titties, time to go. continually ignoring de gea's errors (that clearance, palming the ball back into the area) doesn't help anyone. won't make any difference from a wrestling forum, but at least we can try and have some less deluded fans around these parts.

as for hart, i've pointed out numerous times his weaknesses. and they are balls in the air and his distribution. yet we have the most clean sheets in the league.
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Agreed about the British media bias. Hart has been really poor this season compared to his usual standards, yet the media always make an excuse for him.
In reality neither keeper is world class. Hart is Champion's league quality when at the top of his game and De Gea is just a decent Prem keeper with a fair bit of potential.

If De Gea was bought for £5 million or so then people would probably be less harsh. A big price tag brings high expectations, therefore a lot of people would have been underwhelmed by De Gea once he moved to England. Not saying that's a good way to think, but it's natural human psychology. Staying on that subject, is De Gea really good or is he a victim of pre-selection? By that I mean is he only expected to be so good by many because many top keepers have vouched for him?

To sum it up: United fans on here are deluded while British tabloids are full of shit. Double shock!
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i dont think hart's been THAT poor this season. if you look at the goals we've conceded, how many would be down to keeper error? maybe 2-3? many of the goals we conceded have been through terrible defending and marking at set pieces. he's made more mistakes for england than he has for club.
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I can think of more than 2-3, that's for sure. Real Madrid's late goal, one against Spurs, jinky Johnson's near post effort, the flap against us and that's without having seen all of City's games/highlights.
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he even smirks, doesn't seem too bothered by it.

It's a smirk filled with RAGE, he's already plotting revenge.
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To sum it up: United fans on here are deluded while British tabloids are full of shit. Double shock!
Essentially.

Everyone at the club including De Gea acknowledge the improvement that needs to be made though so at least they aren't deluded. We've got a young squad right now that's more working towards their potential than have fulfilled their potential. Players like De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Cleverly, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez. There's more too if you want to stretch it to someone like Anderson or even Fabio. It's inevitable that they're gonna make mistakes that cost us points. All part of the learning process. They're all worth sticking with though through rough patches. Just look at Evans now. I thought he was completely worthless a few seasons ago and had nothing going for him. Now look at him. Sometimes you just have to stick players in at the deep end and let them learn the hard and harsh way. They'll come good in the end hopefully like Evans has.
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I think fans are too spoiled in the modern era. Why wait for a youngster to develop when you could just go sign someone for 20+ million.
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It's not a bad process sticking with youngsters in the hope that they will fulfill their potential, especially when it saves vast amounts of money. However, you have to accept that not every player is going to turn out to be United class, that's the pit fall. That's why you have to credit Fergie for splashing out on RVP when he could have easily spent that on four or five youngsters. Any mistakes that are made by the kids will be made up for by RVP's class and goals, you just need to pray that he stays injury free.
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Agreed with Vader that he doesn't make you very confident as a fan but you have to stick with young players through early problems.
Not sure if keeper is the best position to be doing that though. It's a departure from how Fergie has done things in the past as well.

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That's why you have to credit Fergie for splashing out on RVP when he could have easily spent that on four or five youngsters.
Or one and a half if the Zaha for £15m is accurate.
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