[NoGimmicksNeeded]

Originally Posted by 93.20

but if it was hart this board would've been up in arms for how he didn't catch the ball or punch it further.

But if it was Hart, there'd have been no mention of him making an error on the post game analysis and the blame would have gone to a defender, or it'd have been a case of 'the lads been unlucky there'. DDG gets overrated on here and underrated by the media, reversal's true of Hart.

They're both top class young keepers with another decade or so in the top flight and both aren't near their prime yet. People are too tough & too forgiving on both tbh.

De Gea as first choice is a much better replacement for VDS than our attempts to replace Big Pete, at least

[CNew2]

Being from the US, can't really follow the EPL as much as I would like too. So, can someone please explain to me how Arsenal can just hover in the Top 4/5 for so long, but never seem to be a credible threat to win the league? Especially not since Henry moved on.

[R.Scorpio]

Originally Posted by CNew2

Being from the US, can't really follow the EPL as much as I would like too. So, can someone please explain to me how Arsenal can just hover in the Top 4/5 for so long, but never seem to be a credible threat to win the league? Especially not since Henry moved on.

Enough quality to be better than most teams, not enough quality and depth to beat the best teams. Doesn't help that they play a style that often struggles on the poorer grounds against teams that park the bus.

[Rush]

I'd say its mostly due to their proclivity to sell off their best players and not replace them

[Kiz]

because there are better teams than them.

[Sleeper]

Because of financial doping and the racist english media.

[CNew2]

Well at least their current crop of good players seem to be signing long-term contracts to remain (i.e Walcott, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain), as for the selling of their best players, they really didn't seem to have much of choice with the previous two. Fabregas wanted to go back to Barcelona & RVP seemed like he was ready to head out to win trophies.

Judging by these last few games I've seen from them, the players they bring in don't seem like they are capable of playing with the top teams in the EPL, they even seem to struggle with the mid-tier teams for the most part.

[Anark]

I have a big problem with De Gea. I think he has loads of potential but he shouldn't be learning his trade at United. Plus, being Spanish, it's very likely that in a few years when he does become a truly world class keeper, he's going to want to go back home. He should be making his rookie mistakes and improving his game bit by bit at a smaller club.

He was expensive for what he is, and there are plenty of maturer keepers who are already at the top of their game we could try and get. There's a handful in the Prem alone.

Again, he is a good keeper and I think he will be great one day (whether that will be for United or not is the question), but I just don't understand the business decision behind signing him.

[Seabs]

Originally Posted by 93.20

but if it was hart this board would've been up in arms for how he didn't catch the ball or punch it further.

People are up in arms though. The Hart thing comes from the British Media never criticising him when he does something like that but always jump on De Gea when he does. None of Utd's defence ever seem to get credit for strong defensive displays like yesterday for 90 minutes but as soon as there's a blip (the last minute) everyone jumps over it and makes Utd's defence out to be totally incompetent.

Anyone who's denying De Gea's shortcomings are just completely blind. There's no denying them. We just have to stick with him for a bit. Still 5 points clear so we're doing something right. He's already improved a ton since this time last season and he's still very young. How many keepers his age are better? Agreed with Vader that he doesn't make you very confident as a fan but you have to stick with young players through early problems. Look at Ronaldo during his first season or two compared to where he ended up at.

Loaning him out isn't the answer. He needs experience in this team with this defence in this league.

[nazzac]

Originally Posted by Seabs

People are up in arms though. The Hart thing comes from the British Media never criticising him when he does something like that but always jump on De Gea when he does. None of Utd's defence ever seem to get credit for strong defensive displays like yesterday for 90 minutes but as soon as there's a blip (the last minute) everyone jumps over it and makes Utd's defence out to be totally incompetent.

Anyone who's denying De Gea's shortcomings are just completely blind. There's no denying them. We just have to stick with him for a bit. Still 5 points clear so we're doing something right. He's already improved a ton since this time last season and he's still very young. How many keepers his age are better? Agreed with Vader that he doesn't make you very confident as a fan but you have to stick with young players through early problems. Look at Ronaldo during his first season or two compared to where he ended up at.

Loaning him out isn't the answer. He needs experience in this team with this defence in this league.

I agree that Hart gets away with a lot of mistakes with the Media, and De Gea is jumped on every time he does something bad. The reason is because 1. Hart is English, and 2. The transer fee they payed for De Gea.

Better keepers his age? Courtois, and Ter Stegen are the only ones i can think of that are in the same age range and are really good.