[R.Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Rush

Going to ground without contact, or exaggerating minimal contact. Textbook case there, it was a blatent dive.

Thank you this is exactly what I'm after, discussion. Based on your definition I can completely understand why you have concluded he has dived.

My opinion on diving differs in that I feel a 'dive' is a player intentionally going down under little or no contact looking for a foul. My argument which I have no issue if you disagree with is that I see no evidence from looking at Jays reaction that he looked for a foul. If anything your definition simple as it is almost implies that if a player goes down easily he has dived which to me is too simplistic. To me the reason diving is cheating is because the player is looking for the foul when he takes his tumble. Under my definition a player merely going down easily is not a dive if he hasn't looked for the foul.

So I hope you can understand based off my definition why I feel it wasn't a dive and why I feel it differs to say some of the things Bale or Suarez do where there intention is to go down because they are looking for the foul.

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Originally Posted by R.Scorpio

Thank you this is exactly what I'm after, discussion. Based on your definition I can completely understand why you have concluded he has dived.

My opinion on diving differs in that I feel a 'dive' is a player intentionally going down under little or no contact looking for a foul. My argument which I have no issue if you disagree with is that I see no evidence from looking at Jays reaction that he looked for a foul. If anything your definition simple as it is almost implies that if a player goes down easily he has dived which to me is too simplistic. To me the reason diving is cheating is because the player is looking for the foul when he takes his tumble. Under my definition a player merely going down easily is not a dive if he hasn't looked for the foul.

So I hope you can understand based off my definition why I feel it wasn't a dive and why I feel it differs to say some of the things Bale or Suarez do where there intention is to go down because they are looking for the foul.

'Going down easily' is just another way of saying the player has intentionally gone to ground when the contact was not sufficient to put him down.

If you haven't intentionally gone to ground then it is not a dive. The player has either been fouled or is clumsy and lacking balance.

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[R.Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Anark

'Going down easily' is just another way of saying the player has intentionally gone to ground when the contact was not sufficient to put him down.

If you haven't intentionally gone to ground then it is not a dive. The player has either been fouled or is clumsy and lacking balance.

J-Rod does fit the bill of a player that is on the clumsy/unbalanced side. He is pushed off the ball very easily. Which again is why I think it's just him being him than an intent to con the ref. The key though to me is I don't feel he was looking for a foul. Jay has a tendency to run around at time like a chicken with his head cut off because he tries too hard out there. As a saints watcher you would know that he can be all over the place at times because he is trying so badly to show Adkins that he deserves to be a starter when we have a fully fit team. I know it seems I've gone off on a tangent but intent is a mental thing not physical. Jay had just missed a free header a few minutes prior and then that incident the box was a missed opportunity and he slumped to the ground. His head was in the ground in frustration after the penalty incident which he wasn't aware of. He then looks up and to his surprise a penalty was awarded. If that is a player intentionally going down to get a penalty than he is a better actor that I thought because he genuinely didnt see it coming.

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Originally Posted by R.Scorpio

If that is a player intentionally going down to get a penalty than he is a better actor that I thought because he genuinely didnt see it coming.

You make some good points about intent, and I don't know the player very well so I can't comment on his acting ability. But look at the gif again and again. He flicks his standing foot back as well as the foot that got the ghost contact. That's not lack of balance. From a standing position he had every intention of going down.