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Old 01-13-2013, 03:31 AM   #5851 (permalink)
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Going down easily is not diving, by some of your definitions a player slipping over is a dive. Diving is INTENTIONALLY going down in an attempt to con the referee into giving you a decision. J-Rod fell avoiding the tackle, but he wasn't looking for anything. He knows he wasn't fouled and didn't look for one. That right there dismisses the claims he dived. The look on his face when the whistle was blown was that of shock.

Now let's compare that to actual divers who go down easily then looks at the referee saying 'where's my foul'. They go down trying to get a decision. that's the difference in this case. I'm not saying a player should get a foul if he is forced to avoid a tackle. If anything it's the perfect tackle, no contact but able to disrupt the guy with the ball. The issue here is whether the player took a dive or not.

If your definition of diving is different fine, but your definitions aren't correct.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:42 AM   #5852 (permalink)
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Going down easily is not diving,

Now let's compare that to actual divers who go down easily
Helps if you don't contradict yourself within 2 paragraphs.

That was a clear dive, he went to ground after the defender had slid in past him



huge dive, the fact you can't see it is pathetic.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:49 AM   #5854 (permalink)
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No he didn't. And I didn't contradict myself, you've merely pulled out words with no context. Going down easily could be a player being weak, j-rod and lallana for us are great examples. They get pushed off the ball so easily it's frustrating. But that isn't diving. Diving is going down under minimal or no contact, and now get ready because this is where the key point comes in which you seem to be ignoring, looking to and complaining to the ref so as to manipulate him into giving a decision your way. Had j-rod looked to the ref and appealed for the foul, then you would be right he would have dived. But he didn't. The ref just instant,y blew for the penalty.

Blame j-rod for being weak, a coward for not taking a bit of contact, or unsportsmanlike for not telling the ref that he made a mistake. But a dive it wasn't.

The gif shows he moved his leg out of harms way as tackle was coming in. Had he not done that the tackle would have got him. His momentum is forward. Then as can be clearly seen he swipes his leg back. Simple physics tells you that would lead to him going only one way. What the gif fails to show was once he hits the deck he doesn't look for a decision. But the whistle gets blown instantly. Refs fault, not the players.

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If that wasn't a dive then Suarez is a clean honest player who has never cheated in his life. Stop being biased towards your club. Was a blatant dive and if another clubs player did it you would be calling it a dive.


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If that wasn't a dive then Suarez is a clean honest player who has never cheated in his life. Stop being biased towards your club. Was a blatant dive and if another clubs player did it you would be calling it a dive.


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No I would call it poor reffing. Suarez looks for the decision. That's the difference he doesn't just go down, get back up and keep going. He goes down than remonstrates with the ref for a decision.
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That dive is the equivalent of shouting something racist but looking at the floor so no-one knows it was you. Only forgetting you're the only female in the room.

"If you think that then you're wrong/don't understand" is trademarked by a much better poster/bigger idiot by the way.
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I assure you I'm not trying to be that guy. In fact I find it fascinating to see others opinions on the matter in general. If I'm coming of like a bias idiot I apologize as it is not my intent at all. I'm just giving my view on what constitutes a dive in my opinion. To me a dive is intentionally going to ground looking for the ref to award you something. Its an act of premeditated cheating. I don't feel J-Rod did that. I feel J-Rod in the speed of the game felt a tackle was going to get him and tried to avoid it by pulling his leg away. It wasn't his intention to go down for the purpose of getting a decision from the ref. He merely went down because his momentum was all forward and then he swung his leg back. After he falls his eye is still on the ball and seeing if Gaston does anything from the pass. The whistle came from nowhere. The point I'm making is to be me slipping, going down under little or no duress, going down in a split second movement isn't diving. It's only diving if you have gone to ground looking for a foul. Had the ref not given the decision literally nothing would have happened, no one thought there was a penalty, play would have just moved on without any remonstration and any controversy.

Suarez and Bale on the other hand go down easily but then look to the ref looking for a decision. That is diving to me if the contact is not sufficient or non existent. But if they merely fell down, picked themselves up and just kept going, I'd say they were a little weak for going down so oofetn but I wouldn't feel the sense of cheating. Diving is cheating and you know when you go down if you are doing it.
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No he didn't. And I didn't contradict myself, you've merely pulled out words with no context. Going down easily could be a player being weak, j-rod and lallana for us are great examples. They get pushed off the ball so easily it's frustrating. But that isn't diving. Diving is going down under minimal or no contact, and now get ready because this is where the key point comes in which you seem to be ignoring, looking to and complaining to the ref so as to manipulate him into giving a decision your way. Had j-rod looked to the ref and appealed for the foul, then you would be right he would have dived. But he didn't. The ref just instant,y blew for the penalty.

Blame j-rod for being weak, a coward for not taking a bit of contact, or unsportsmanlike for not telling the ref that he made a mistake. But a dive it wasn't.

The gif shows he moved his leg out of harms way as tackle was coming in. Had he not done that the tackle would have got him. His momentum is forward. Then as can be clearly seen he swipes his leg back. Simple physics tells you that would lead to him going only one way. What the gthif fails to show was once he hits the deck he doesn't look for a decision. But the whistle gets blown instantly. Refs fault, not the players.
There's been a bunch of cases where the player didn't even have a chance to look at the ref before he called the penalty though. Never took it away from being a dive. Come on. It was clear that Rodriguez had anticipated the challenge and so went down with the expectation that there was gonna be contact anyway so he would get away with it. Very similar to the Bale one against Villa.

To say he was trying to avoid the tackle is pretty damn delusional to say the least.
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rodriguez moves his leg and is heading towards the ground as soon as he sees the villa player move his leg towards him. pure dive. i don't know how there can be any doubt about it. if a footballer is doing that to 'avoid a challenge' then they shouldn't be allowed to be a professional footballer.
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