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Old 01-02-2013, 06:24 AM   #4641 (permalink)
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:25 AM   #4642 (permalink)
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Agreed. The days of good defending is slowly fading away, especially in the EPL. Around 5-7 years ago you could name many great defenders, now you can only name a few.
It's true 5 years ago today the top 3 teams in goals conceded were

Man Utd - 11
Liverpool 13
Arsenal & Chelsea - 16

Worst 3

Sunderland - 40
Reading - 44
Derby - 46

This Season

Top 3

Chelsea - 18 (Played 2 games less)
Man City 19
Stoke - 20

Worst 3

Wigan - 39
Reading - 40
Aston Villa -41

Interesting the Defensive standards at the bottom end of the table are improving but that's such a big shift at the top in the space of just 5 years
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:33 AM   #4643 (permalink)
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To be fair that Derby team was historically bad.

Defending has gone to fuck though. Shit's turning into the NFL.
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:48 AM   #4644 (permalink)
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Also like Rush and DwayneAustin said I rather beat United than Everton but yeah like them it's probably due to being outside of Liverpool so not knowing a great deal of Everton fans. thus not having to deal with their shit, Whereas Damn near every other footy fan I know supports Man U.

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It's true 5 years ago today the top 3 teams in goals conceded were

Man Utd - 11
Liverpool 13
Arsenal & Chelsea - 16

Worst 3

Sunderland - 40
Reading - 44
Derby - 46

This Season

Top 3

Chelsea - 18 (Played 2 games less)
Man City 19
Stoke - 20

Worst 3

Wigan - 39
Reading - 40
Aston Villa -41

Interesting the Defensive standards at the bottom end of the table are improving but that's such a big shift at the top in the space of just 5 years
Guess to some extent the smaller/Mid table teams improving has something to do with all but defending is pretty bad too. Even between the top level teams last year the scorelines where pretty incredible

Man U 8 - 2 Arsenal
Man City 6 - 1 Man U
Man U 3 - 1 Chelsea
Arsenal 5 - 3 Chelsea
Spurs 4 - 0 Liverpool
Arsenal 3 - 3 Chelsea
Man U 4 - 4 Everton
Man City 5 - 1 Spurs

Probably some more but can't think of them. Not to mention I remeber for the first month or two City and Man U were basically like Barca/Madrid in the BPL. Ran through everyone with ease.
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Defensive standards dropping, or the attacking and execution getting better? Some of the goals this season have been fapworthy.
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:59 AM   #4646 (permalink)
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there's more dilution of the class players. practically every team has at least 1 good-very good player in their ranks. before the talent only went to about 4 clubs. now you're seeing swansea signing some very good players, the competition is now practically referred to as a top 6, etc etc. the standards across all teams in england have risen because there is more money available to all clubs, and even more coming in with the massive tv deals. the premier league just has a collection of very good through to world class players, and those players are more spread out.
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what Kiz said and also I think compared to 5 years ago more Prem teams are playing either a more Attacking and Open game or the "Spanish" way of playing in which a defender often misplaces a pass straight to an opposition attacker and they go on to to score
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Defensive standards dropping, or the attacking and execution getting better? Some of the goals this season have been fapworthy.
Maybe the attack is getting better but the defending is definitely worse. Some of the defending this season has been quite embarrasing to watch.
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It's true 5 years ago today the top 3 teams in goals conceded were

Man Utd - 11
Liverpool 13
Arsenal & Chelsea - 16

Worst 3

Sunderland - 40
Reading - 44
Derby - 46

This Season

Top 3

Chelsea - 18 (Played 2 games less)
Man City 19
Stoke - 20

Worst 3

Wigan - 39
Reading - 40
Aston Villa -41

Interesting the Defensive standards at the bottom end of the table are improving but that's such a big shift at the top in the space of just 5 years
I believe that part of the reason for this is that premier league players can't get away with as many hard tackles as they could in the past, therefore more defenders are likely to back off and jockey a good dribbler and allow him more space and freedom.

Defending in this league has generally always been about physicality (to a point), passion and bravery as opposed to great positioning (obviously there are exceptions) and reading of the game. Premier league defenders are just going to have to move with the times, which is a good thing because it can only help the development of young English defenders who are potential candidates for the national team.

I'm sure there are other reasons as well, possibly including the recent influx of top class forwards that base their games on beating defenders with ease. Skill and pace are exceptionally hard to defend against.

EDIT- I've also got to point out that the improvement at the bottom end of the league for conceeding goals isn't significant enough to really take notice of, especially if we're going by percentages.

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