[Kiz]

Originally Posted by Ziggs

Im Sorry, i didnt even knew that you had won one title in the 30's, almost 100 years ago and one in the middle of the 60's. What a great history, one of the richest trophy cases in Europe, im sure.

so you believe a good history is only one based on winning anything and everything.

how about:

winning a european trophy before liverpool and juventus. (1970 cup winners' cup)
winning a major trophy 4 years before man united, 26 years before arsenal and 50 years before chelsea (1904 fa cup)
holding the attendance record for any english football match (1934 fa cup vs stoke)
legends such as bert trautmann playing with a broken (FREAKIN) neck, and being an icon in general
billy meredith bringing success then going to united and bringing them their first successes
the revie plan
joe mercer during the 60's
wembley 99, 2011
qpr 2012

plus loads more that deserve a mention but escape me right now. but hey, we ain't got no history.

[Ziggs]

Are you insinuating that your history can be compared to Liverpool or even Utd? Its a different league, i recgonize that you guys are a really good team, but a big club? Cmon, even you dont believe in it.

[Kiz]

why can't it be? history isn't just about winning trophies. we have 130 years of history. so why can't it be? because we haven't won as many trophies? height of ignorance.

and in the last financial year we made something like 10 mil less than utd in commercial revenue. in 1999 we weren't a big club. we're entering 2013 now. we are a big club.

but i wouldn't expect any less stupidity for someone who clearly doesn't know our history yet feels like commenting on it anyways.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Ziggs

Are you insinuating that your history can be compared to Liverpool or even Utd? Its a different league, i recgonize that you guys are a really good team, but a big club? Cmon, even you dont believe in it.

Who are the two biggest teams in Portugal?

[Gambit]

I don't think man city are a big club personally but they will be in a few years and for years to come for sure. They are not a small club at all though.

[Cookie Monster]

[Ziggs]

Originally Posted by SN0WMAN

Who are the two biggest teams in Portugal?

Benfica and Porto.


93.20 History is about winning trophys, the biggest clubs in the World like Boca, River, Santos, Milan, Bayer, Madrid are known because they won numerous trophys.

[JJJ1303]

Even though I hate to admit it, City are a big club with a big history. The reason why it isn't as widely known is because over the past, lets say 10-20 years they haven't been a big force until the last 5 and most of their history is pre- premier league.

[Kiz]

Originally Posted by Ziggs

Benfica and Porto.


93.20 History is about winning trophys, the biggest clubs in the World like Boca, River, Santos, Milan, Bayer, Madrid are known because they won numerous trophys.

laughably ignorant. so they're world renowned just because they've won their respective leagues more than other teams? that's the only reason why boca juniors are so big is it? nothing to do with the players, the fans, the things that make a club what it is? such an insular view of football.

do you only watch football to see your club win trophies?

[Ziggs]

Originally Posted by 93.20

laughably ignorant. so they're world renowned just because they've won their respective leagues more than other teams? that's the only reason why boca juniors are so big is it? nothing to do with the players, the fans, the things that make a club what it is? such an insular view of football.

do you only watch football to see your club win trophies?

Do you even know whats the reason that those clubs that i named have so many fans? Because they win, of course players matters, legends like Maradona, Enzo, Di Stefano, Beckenbauaer reprent what they represent to their clubs because they won tropyhys. And yes, if my club dont win trophies i get depressed sometimes, like last year when we got beat by Porto at Estadio da Luz, its in our whole as a club, to win titles! And i always get frustrated if we came in 2nd or third, i accept nothing else than victory.