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Old 12-02-2012, 11:39 AM   #1661 (permalink)
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Shit draw as per but atleast it's not city, pool or arsenal this year.

Chelsea to win it again.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:41 AM   #1662 (permalink)
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Money is all teams care about now. And the sad fact is that there's just not enough financial reward for the cups, not when compared with the league and the incentive of CL football/promotion along with the danger of relegation.

The only way to bring back prestige with the cups is to assign CL places to the winner, which is incredibly sad.
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I'd love us to win the FA cup this year, hope no reserve type shite against west ham. We won't win the CL so i'd like us to give the FA cup a real go.
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As someone who supports a team who have been out of the premiership for over 10 years, Coventry City, I love any kind of cup run. Take this season we've had a pretty shit time adjusting to life in league 1 but have had some decent cup games, played arsenal at the emirates and have spurs away in the FA cup. A couple of great days out to make the season.

I hate when teams dont take the cups seriously, its a great way to build momentum and the atmosphere is usually a lot more fun than at league games.
Exactly. Its easy for me to take this stance, because truth be told I've grown to loathe the premier league/champions league and this ever present belief that if you're not aiming to be a premier league club you're nothing. I know a Bristol City fan who's dreading the day they ever get into the top flight, because whilst a lot of fans think of it as great for the club it brings with it a lot of detriments: obscene ticket prices cashing in on promoted clubs taking generally big followings, a lot of fans suddenly latching onto the club when before they couldn't care and a lot of long time fans missing out on games either because they won't pay the prices or because demand is too great for the first time in years.

I just don't see what's so great about finishing 10th in the league. Ok if you're a promoted club I can see that as a great achievement and something to build from, but realistically if you're a club aiming to secure regular premier league football (let's say Fulham or Stoke) I'd expect a lot of their fans to treat the cups as something to look forward to compared to the league where at best they could hope to finish in the top 8. To me winning a cup or getting to the final represents a far better year than finishing 4 places higher in the league but out of both cups early on.

The Cups just seem to lose respect because a) more and more fans now only care about being/staying in the premier league and b) bigger clubs use it as a chance to play weaker sides and try out youngsters. Ever since Sky have taken a firm grip in controlling TV rights its become more common for people to dismiss the cup competitions as irrelevant and that only being in the Premier League matters (which for me is ludicrous). I remember reading a lot of Cardiff fans in favour of the recent abandonment of the historic blue kit and club logo in favour of a franchised kit and logo simply because they bought into the owner's message that it was something that would catapult them into the Premier League. At what point does 'making it' in the Premier League become too much hassle? If I was a Cardiff fan and I was told we'd have to do away with our club history and badge because it might get us playing Man Utd and Liverpool within 3 seasons I'd tell them to fuck off and leave the club as it is.

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The only way to bring back prestige with the cups is to assign CL places to the winner, which is incredibly sad.
Its sad how accurate that is. For me the FA Cup is what I look forward to the most every year. A great chance to go to grounds you'll likely never get the chance to visit again, a real special atmosphere in premier league vs lower league ties and generally just a great advertisement that money doesn't always win in football. Its a shame that getting into the Europa League means more than getting to a cup final these days, but as you said only two competitions matters these days: The Premier League and Championship.

Amount of people I heard/spoke to in Uni who followed smaller clubs and seemed obsessed with getting to the premier league at all costs astounded me. Especially when they looked at incidents like Cardiff changing to a red strip and saying they wished that could be their club. Madness.

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Well, at least we turned up in the second half. Fucking shit that we didn't draw. If we put in that second half performance against Chelsea then we might get something. Had a feeling once kilgallon skied it with an open goal that we'd lose.
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There used to be something called the Cup Winners' Cup. It was a cup for cup winners. That, to me, makes a lot more sense.
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Any Arsenal fans on here who are regular match goers!?

I was planning on doing Arsenal away this year however the cheeky fuckers are charging £68 a ticket apparently! I went to the Carling Cup leg at the Emirates last year which cost me a tenner.

City fans are planning a boycott of this match.

Was just wondering are prices this scandalous for home fans all the time!?

I remember seeing a picture of a home ticket for the North London derby this season that was over £90! NINETY POUNDS STERLING PEOPLE!
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Dearest ticket at the Emirates is £100 I believe. It got that high when VAT increased a couple of years back. London clubs charge far more anyway than your standard northern club, what with it being more affluent in a lot of London areas. Fulham charge £49 (amazingly overpriced), QPR charge as high as £60, Chelsea £55-60 and Spurs charge over £52 and in some home parts of the ground, £74. West Ham charge around £46 as well. Its ridiculous but sadly fans keep paying the prices so the clubs have no reason to charge any less.

Be good if City fans actually boycotted, but the danger is people who don't care/can afford those prices will probably just buy tickets anyway.
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I feel a bit embarrassed that we beat the Mackems tonight, if anything they deserved the win with all of the chances they created. We were very lucky not to conceed from the rebounds involving that scorching free kick and the Rose long ranger. Can't feel too sorry for Sunderland after they missed so many guilt edged chances, although our first goal was probably offside.

I thought that O'Neill's CB pairing of Kilgallon and Cuellar looked poor, Killa basically compromised himself with that pointless early booking after being easily turned by Holt. The ex Villa man Cuellar wasn't so brave with his pathetic attempt to thwart Pilkington before he scored our second. Gardner basically ran the midfield in the second half, I really like the look of him, would be a definite upgrade on Bradley Johnson because he can actually shoot. Was glad that Fletcher went off because he's actually dangerous in the box, unlike scummer Wickham.

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Bunn-6 Had a really mixed game overall. Some excellent work mixed with a couple of dodgy mments. I wouldn't blame him for the goal, unless you want to moan at him for only being 6 feet tall. I think he might have even got a touch on the free kick that hit the post.

Garrido- 6 Has some real class on the ball but lets too many crosses in for my liking. When he was high up the pitch and tight to his man he won a few tackles/blocks/interceptions, which suggests that he prefers reading the game rather than having wingers run at him.

Bassong-8 The machine. So many vital interceptions and didn't display his recent dithering on the ball. Excellent reactions for the goal.

R.Bennett-6 Made some really solid blocks although his starting positions could be improved.

Whittaker-5 Poor passing and beaten far too easily on a regular occasion. Snodgrass and himself should have done far better for the goal. Comical dribbling into central midfield was risky. Makes good runs going forward. Would look excellent in a 3-5-2 as a wing back.

Pilkington-7 Very dangerous. Took his goal well and worked hard defensively. Needs to be more consistent throughout matches, but when he's in the game he tends to be unplayable.

Johnson-6 Like Bunn, a really mixed bag. Made some brilliant tackles only to give the ball away almost instantly. Excellent assist for Pilk's goal. Needs to stop trying taking on everybody in the final third when a simple pass would do.

Tettey-7 Worked like a trogan. Tackled hard and was always available as an outlet on the counter. The Sky comms mistaked mistaked him for a CB at one point and it's easy to see why. A real box to box performance.

Snodgrass-6 Showed some decent touches and kept the ball well without creating much. Needs to offer Whittaker better protection.

Hoolahan-8 Brilliant, just brilliant. He was absolutely everywhere with some great defensive work around our own box and as usual was the one to keep things ticking.

Holt-6 Bust a nut for the cause winning a fair amount of headers and did well close down the Mackems, especially Mignolet for Snodgrass's chance in the first half. He needs to improve his decision making in the opposition's area though.

Subs:

E.Bennett-6 (on for Snodgrass, 77 minutes) Actually provided some width unlike Snoddy, probably something to do with being right footed? Put in a couple of teasing crosses.

Howson-N/A (On for Hoolahan, 88 minutes) Not on long enough to rate.

We were fantastic for the first fourty minutes but fell away after that. Still, we did what we had to do and that's all you can ask for from a team like ours. An excellent result all things considered and we even scored twice, so that's progress. We're now 9 games undefeated in all competitions and have 16 points from the last 8 league games which is Champions League form (I'm not deluded enough to think that's where we will finish). A drastic improvement from 3 points in our first 7 league games. Well done Hughton, the staff and players for the huge turn around.
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