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2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - GAME OVER YEEEAAAHHH!!!!!!!

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#1 ·
Old thread got too big. Leave the memories alone.

I think MAZACAR deserve to feature in the first post :mata :hazard :bosscar2

:rvp and :javy for carrying United.

:dzeko for saving City.

:suarez1 for just being Suarez.

And finally some BRAVE lads :hesk2 :barry (We need some current BRAVE VILLA smilies)

Let's see if we can kill this thread before the end of the season.
 
#6,970 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread (feat. Joel - THE RIGHT ONE)

I have a big problem with De Gea. I think he has loads of potential but he shouldn't be learning his trade at United. Plus, being Spanish, it's very likely that in a few years when he does become a truly world class keeper, he's going to want to go back home. He should be making his rookie mistakes and improving his game bit by bit at a smaller club.

He was expensive for what he is, and there are plenty of maturer keepers who are already at the top of their game we could try and get. There's a handful in the Prem alone.

Again, he is a good keeper and I think he will be great one day (whether that will be for United or not is the question), but I just don't understand the business decision behind signing him.
 
#6,974 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread (feat. Joel - THE RIGHT ONE)

Agreed about the British media bias. Hart has been really poor this season compared to his usual standards, yet the media always make an excuse for him.
In reality neither keeper is world class. Hart is Champion's league quality when at the top of his game and De Gea is just a decent Prem keeper with a fair bit of potential.

If De Gea was bought for £5 million or so then people would probably be less harsh. A big price tag brings high expectations, therefore a lot of people would have been underwhelmed by De Gea once he moved to England. Not saying that's a good way to think, but it's natural human psychology. Staying on that subject, is De Gea really good or is he a victim of pre-selection? By that I mean is he only expected to be so good by many because many top keepers have vouched for him?

To sum it up: United fans on here are deluded while British tabloids are full of shit. Double shock!
 
#6,978 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread (feat. Joel - THE RIGHT ONE)

To sum it up: United fans on here are deluded while British tabloids are full of shit. Double shock!
Essentially.

Everyone at the club including De Gea acknowledge the improvement that needs to be made though so at least they aren't deluded. We've got a young squad right now that's more working towards their potential than have fulfilled their potential. Players like De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Cleverly, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez. There's more too if you want to stretch it to someone like Anderson or even Fabio. It's inevitable that they're gonna make mistakes that cost us points. All part of the learning process. They're all worth sticking with though through rough patches. Just look at Evans now. I thought he was completely worthless a few seasons ago and had nothing going for him. Now look at him. Sometimes you just have to stick players in at the deep end and let them learn the hard and harsh way. They'll come good in the end hopefully like Evans has.
 
#6,986 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread (feat. Joel - THE RIGHT ONE)

Balance is the key. There's nothing wrong with constantly looking to your youth as the future and blooding them into the team, especially if you're a smaller club who has to make do with what's given to them. Ferguson generally has a good mind for how to bring youth players through though. As Andre says having someone like Van Persie allows the likes of Welbeck and Hernandez to get game time whilst still having the likes of Van Persie and Rooney as people the fans will expect regular goals from. Having players like Ronaldo, Evans, Rafael, Jones mixed in with experienced professionals like Van Der Sar, Evra, Ferdinand, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick allows them to get game time and learn from the experienced players whilst also having less pressure and expectation to deliver instantly when they're surrounded by already developed and top draw players who bear a greater sense of pressure from the fans and media alike.

I agree De Gea has his faults and I don't think anyone could reasonably argue that he doesn't possess weaknesses which will constantly leave you fretting from time to time. Anark and Vader make good points about being a goalkeeper and having these issues is different than say a promising winger, especially as a keeper really needs to be your last line of defence and can un-do the good work of a defence if his positioning and handling of set pieces is a recurring problem. That being said, Seabs' point about Evans is a good example. De Gea shows promise and potential and whilst it'll be a recurring issue of the odd mistake, he'll only develop and adjust to improving his game by being exposed to teams who'll look to exploit his troubled areas. Its tough for him because he doesn't have the benefit of having a more experienced/secure alternative, so its a case for him where long term potential can only be discussed so many times after a mistake, compared to someone like Jones who could have a bad game and have the likes of Rafael, Scholes, Cleverley or Carrick to replace him and allow him to not be exposed and severly scrutinised by the media. It is a gamble with placing such responsibility on De Gea, but sometimes in football taking that gamble that could come back to bite you is what can motivate and develop a long term investment that pays dividends.
 
#6,987 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread (feat. Joel - THE RIGHT ONE)

People are too harsh on de Gea IMO, he kept us in the game yesterday with 2 or 3 great saves, but no one remembers them. Im guessing if Lindegaard comes in for the FA cup game, as he hasnt played a while, everyone will be saying de Gea has been dropped. I hope Fergie sticks with de Gea.

BlackAndre you do go over the top with your criticism of de Gea, i remember someone in the chatbox was saying his save against Mata last season was the save of the season, but you thought that was funny and said Ruddy have made loads of better saves.


If a young player makes a mistake or doesnt play well people always seem to go over the top. For instance Welbeck, if he has a bad game, united fans go on about he should be sold or shouldnt be starting. As Seabs said it was the same with Evans, think its still funny that opposition fans still ridicule Evans, most likely they havent seen him play recently.
 
#7,075 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread (feat. Joel - THE RIGHT ONE)

I dont see how anyone wont lose their shit during a goal

a goal is a goal. seriously
Come to Carrow Road and sit in the River End or the City stand, you'll either be sitting on your hands grunting or performing a gentle clap during a goal. Those people have permanently lost their shit in a sense.
 
#7,112 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - BRAVE BRADFORD

Well done Bradford or should I say Bravford. :kompany Thread title mention is overdue for them and well deserved after knocking out 3 Prem teams. Actually fuck Bradford and their cunt ass goalkeeper. If Chelsea make the final I might turn heel and hope that evil Chelsea win it.

As for Villa, 2 game unbeaten run. :darkheskey
 
#7,303 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - BRAVE BRADFORD/KICKING KIDS

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE HAZARD ALIVE

we will make a last stand at stamford bridge, cole with his rifle, Abra with his mafia, and Mata shall his fellow hobbits and even gandalf

:hazard joins a long line of other falsely accused chelsea heroes

:terry :cashley
 
#7,319 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - BRAVE BRADFORD/KICKING KIDS

Rollin at every last detail of this. The GOAT Ballboy. Hazard's ASSAULT. Chelsea's impeccable PR activities. Chelsea fans defending Hazard kicking a KID regardless of his antics. Amazing. Could only have happened to a Chelsea player.
:lmao

Hopefully Cole starts taking pot shots at the kid with an air rifle outside the ground, about the only thing that could make it funnier.
 
#7,321 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - BRAVE BRADFORD/KICKING KIDS

:lmao I can just see Hazard spending the night behind bars now. Oh god this forum has made it even more hysterical. He's only being investigated. Police have to do that if they receive complaints. Redead's on a roll tonight too. Home teams always have a strategy to utilise the ballboys. Part of home advantage. Having towels ready for long throws, extra balls on hand to speed the game up. You don't think if it was the other way around that Chelsea wouldn't have had their ballboys returning the ball doubly quick or doubly slow if they had the lead? If he'd just left the situation alone then the ball would have been back in play much quicker than Hazard literally wrestling the ball of a child.
 
#7,326 ·
Re: 2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - BRAVE BRADFORD/KICKING KIDS

Think it might be time to alter the famed United analogy of Man City: "If they weren't around we'd invent them in order for a good laugh" to describe Chelsea these days. They don't let us down with incidents like this do they.
Eh? :confused:
 
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