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2012-13 English Premier League/Cups Thread - GAME OVER YEEEAAAHHH!!!!!!!

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#1 ·
Old thread got too big. Leave the memories alone.

I think MAZACAR deserve to feature in the first post :mata :hazard :bosscar2

:rvp and :javy for carrying United.

:dzeko for saving City.

:suarez1 for just being Suarez.

And finally some BRAVE lads :hesk2 :barry (We need some current BRAVE VILLA smilies)

Let's see if we can kill this thread before the end of the season.
 
#3,756 ·
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Oh boy. History lesson kids :kobe2

I'd still say we are an overall bigger club than City but give or take a few years and all that can very well change. Were pretty much slipping into midtable mediocrity through basically our own fault. Even after the 09/10 and 10/11 season we could still bring in some decent names but instead we kept buying average talent and further slipped that the league and thus basically put ourselves in a position whereby we stopped ourselves from getting the big name guys.
 
#3,757 ·
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i've never said we're a bigger club than liverpool. we're not. in terms of name value, liverpool are bigger than us. no shame in that, they're bigger than most clubs in world football.

however, we are currently a big club. that's my point. we're a big club laden with rich history. of course there are bigger clubs than us. there's bigger clubs than liverpool too. does that remove their big club status?
 
#3,758 ·
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In my opinion there are 3 types of big clubs
1) The historical- well known for their past success but not really challenging now (The Liverpool, I suppose you could argue Arsenal in the sense they haven't really won anything recently but they are somewhere inbetween)
2) The Current- Might have some history but best known for their current accomplishments (The City, to some extent the Chelsea)
3) The Combined- Big history and still have big accomplishments right now (The Man Utd)
 
#3,771 ·
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Saying a team doesn't have history is stupid. The only club I could think that being an appropriate term for is MK Dons.
Exactly. Everybody has their own history. Just some clubs' history are more glorious while others are harping back to FA Cups won in 1904.


Action is hardly ever taken if the referee sees it and deems it as acceptable. The same happened when Fellaini 'punched and elbowed' Shawcross - the referee saw it but didn't think it was a foul, therefore no action was taken even after looking at it. It was a bad tackle and I'm surprised it wasn't a second yellow; it might've done him good to have a rest considering the form he's in at the minute.
Yeah, no action was taken on Fellaini, no action at all apart from the three match ban.
 
#3,761 ·
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Dunno how anyone can defend Evra's inability to defend. Sure, he's not the only one at the back to be playing crap but in no way has he been playing well. In the final third he's good but shows absolutely zero desire in getting back and doing his job. Should've done better for both the second & third Newcastle goals. There was a point late on where he did a wank cross straight into Krul's arms then as Newcastle looked to counter it took him 15 seconds to even cross the half way line. Very lucky not to punished down that side. It's easy to single him out because he's always making defensive errors - not in possession of the ball - but his positioning and pathetic attempt at tackles.


Just seen RAWK meltdown for the first time in a while:

(AC Milan win Champions League 2007) We are still the GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD let them celebrate because they'll never have what we have
(Emile Heskey) ...he reminded me of Ronaldo in his Barca pomp the way he burst between two defenders using pace and strength
(Rafa Benitez) ...actually I rate him higher than Ferguson and Guardiola. Still undecided on Maureen (Mourinho).
:lmao
 
#3,802 ·
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also the great one has gone on out on loan again



Come home soon, Bebe.

May as well reward anyone who took the time to read this rambling drivel that you've heard 1000 times before, enjoy:
Quoted for the gif.

absolute joke of a performance. absolutely pathetic. every player was utter shit.

title race over. the continual lack of goal scoring + no creativity + the most predictable game plan on the planet. no chance we make this gap back up. absolutely none. no desire from the players.

that said, it shouldn't have been a goal for the blatant foul in the lead up, but we didn't deserve a thing from the game.
United better not fall for those Jedi mind tricks again this year.

Bale is the best player in the league. By, far.
:rvp
 
#3,766 ·
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Did Mike Dean complain to the FA about Pardew yelling in his official's ear, though? Think he even grabbed the 4th ref at one point, but I don't remember the commentators going on about that one :fergie

Loads of managers spend half the game screaming at anyone in a black shirt when the decision's don't go their way, it's weird how it was picked up on so much as the big story, when the game itself was clearly much more interesting.

Is Valencia likely to get banned? No complaints if he gets a ban, I thought he'd get a 2nd yellow but I don't know if there'll be retroactive punishment seeing as Dean saw & basically ignored it.
 
#3,767 ·
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Did Mike Dean complain to the FA about Pardew yelling in his official's ear, though? Think he even grabbed the 4th ref at one point, but I don't remember the commentators going on about that one :fergie

Loads of managers spend half the game screaming at anyone in a black shirt when the decision's don't go their way, it's weird how it was picked up on so much as the big story, when the game itself was clearly much more interesting.

Is Valencia likely to get banned? No complaints if he gets a ban, I thought he'd get a 2nd yellow but I don't know if there'll be retroactive punishment seeing as Dean saw & basically ignored it.
Action is hardly ever taken if the referee sees it and deems it as acceptable. The same happened when Fellaini 'punched and elbowed' Shawcross - the referee saw it but didn't think it was a foul, therefore no action was taken even after looking at it. It was a bad tackle and I'm surprised it wasn't a second yellow; it might've done him good to have a rest considering the form he's in at the minute.
 
#3,769 ·
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Usually with bans and shit after the game, it's directly related to how much of a media outcry there is about it. If it happened at a point when the game was still undecided, I'd imagine it'd be a much bigger deal. Do not know what he was thinking
 
#3,770 ·
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I still think Chelsea have a shot at winning the PL and I fancy Chelsea to topple City. As I had predicted before the start of the season, I think Chelsea will win the Prem, with ManU losing out on the final day (again). Well, all of that blows if Chelsea lose at Everton though. :torres

It's good to see City join us in the race for the top-4 trophy. :kobe Sucks...

There is something about Fernando Torres, and there is definitely something about Benitez as well. I can see both winning the one medal they haven't--the PL winner's medal.

As a Gunner, I'd rather City win it over United and Chelsea, but City has been playing pathetic football lately and I can't--for the life in me--understand WHY Mancini isn't using Tevez as an all-out striker. Aguero isn't in the best form of his life, while Silva and Youre have been pretty meh.
 
#3,772 ·
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Newcastle players swarmed the ref and the linesman and Pardew was all over the 4th official when he initially ruled the goal out. MOTD didn't show that though did they. Little difference between that and what Fergie did. Didn't see the Valencia tackle at the time and MOTD didn't replay it for whatever reason. Positive news about Anita though because he was down for a long time before they took him off.

Still don't see how Cisse wasn't "active" for that goal. If he's not there then Evans doesn't lunge at the ball under pressure and De Gea doesn't have to worry about Cisse either. The rule is stupidly open for interpretation anyway. WAS GOL's at Reading and City plus yesterday's mistakes but of course Utd always get the right end of decisions.

Utd fans in here really do give the rest of us on here a bad name. Fuck me. 7 points after Boxing Day is nothing. Nothing. Especially for a team who look beatable by anyone. Only saving grace has been that City have been even worse this season.

Evra's useless as a defender. 4 goals doesn't excuse that. Gets caught out of position and letting players just fly by him way too much. He's inexcusably lazy. Ridiculous yesterday when he went galloping forward and WALKED back as they broke leaving Giggs to cover at LB. Baffling how people can say Rafael/Rio/Evans are as much to blame for defensive errors. Rafael's been brilliant this season since the Fulham match. Evans has been rock solid for the majority of the last 2 years. I thought he was awful for a long time but he's been great for the past couple of seasons now. Rio's best days are behind him but the Liverpool match showed that he can still be one of the best defenders in the league on his day. Just doesn't happen enough. Vidic/Evans will be the partnership when Vidic is match fit again anyway and I'm really confident in that duo. Smalling looks so awkward going forward from RB. Buttner is terrible defensively. Even worse than Evra. Definitely not an option to play in the League. Sucks that Fabio is getting much game time at QPR. The midfield doesn't take enough slack for our defensive problems. Way too many times they let the opposition just run right through them and leave our defence exposed. Carrick looks brilliant just passing the ball around but he doesn't give the back four the cover they need. Same for our wingers covering the wing backs. De Gea's been great all calendar year. Sure he's made the odd mistake but what keeper doesn't? He's improved ten fold since the first half of last season when he was having nightmares on a weekly basis. We're still outscoring teams though so it's not a major issue I guess until we stop scoring goals for fun too.

City really rely on Yaya too much. Last season him and Kompany spent a full season in beats mode and that's what won them the title. This season they've been really average and it's exposed the weakness of the squad and their dependability on key players. Hart's making too many errors to excuse now. Last season they were an intimidating force defensively. Not so much this season. They're still strong at the back but I think teams fancy their chances of scoring much more now than they did last season. Hart looked unbeatable and Kompany/Lescott were a rock solid partnership. Nastasic has done fine but I don't really get why you'd break a title winning CB duo up when a large part of their success was how defensively strong they were. Garcia isn't really a improvement on Barry either as much as Mancini seems to insist he is. Hoping they don't sign a creative midfield and/or a striker in January. Mancini's too harsh on his strikers in the press. He could do with a replacement for Dzeko/Mario but it's not Aguero and Tevez's faults they aren't banging goals in left, right and centre. Hard to do that with minimal service.

Oh and City ARE a big team right now. You don't win the Premier League and not be a major team with the ability to attract star players. Sure Liverpool have a much more iconic history but what does that matter for right now when they're a mid-table team who can't attract the big players they used to. You really think someone like Llorente would go Liverpool over City because of their history? Is he more likely to go Villa or Forest because they've got more "history" in Europe. School holidays always seem to attract more idiots on here for a short spell.
 
#3,774 ·
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For what it's worth I don't think city are a big club yet either. They don't tick enough boxes.

Strong team now, but not a big club in the grand scheme of things. Nothing wrong with that mind.
 
#3,775 ·
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the thing is they are getting the service. we've had something like 30 more shots than united. the midfield aren't covering themselves in glory but the strikers aren't firing or taking the chances they were last season. it's a bit of a mess really.
 
#3,779 ·
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The thing that rubs in that banned seat even more, is that it looks as if it is a seat at the back row of the stand based on the part of wall I can see.

Meaning it's not even a case of the person behind not being able to see as it's an arl 80 year old stuck there. Joke.
Nicely spotted, I wasn't even paying close attention to the wall behind. As you said makes the decision even more nonsensical. I can appreciate not everyone wants to stand, and that obviously if people from the middle of a section onwards are standing than chances are you will be. That being said there are universal rules to curb this sort of dilemma: those who wish to sit should go nearer the front of the section/stand (depending on whether you're a home/away fan) and those wishing to stand should as a general rule head as far back as they can so as to hopefully nullify the stewards' persistance in getting them to sit. As you said there's a difference between being a group of 3 standing with 5 rows behind you sat, and then 3 rows at the back standing with every row in front of them sitting.

Whole problem with this is that ground regulations are only enforced when it suits clubs. There are so many reports of clubs basically accepting that the back 5 rows or more of a section can get away with standing since they're generally not imposing someone else's view, which is often a common claim when you see people report on ejecting those who persistantly stand. Its the same with standing in aisles, drinking within site of the pitch, being in a seat not allocated to you etc. So many clubs only decide to enforce these 'guidelines' when its convienient to them that it creates problems when other supports get hassled. If you're a Burnley support and you're getting hassled at Forest when you know Leeds and Derby fans had no mither simply because of the greater numbers travelling you're going to resist attempts to sit because you shouldn't feel like you have any less of a right to stand than they do.

It does irritate me when people go right near the back of a stand (especially as an away supporter) and then sit and moan when those around them are standing. Common sense says you go as close to the front as you can, so that if you wish to sit you can do so without expecting people in front/around you to conform to your whims.
 
#3,778 ·
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RAWK fact ->

Rodgers record is exactly the same as Hodgsons during his 31 game campaign in charge of us:

Hodgson - P31 W13 D9 L9 F41 A33 GD+8 - Net Transfer Spend - Recouped £2.2mill

Rodgers - P31 W13 D9 L9 F48 A40 GD+8 - Net Transfer Spend - Spent £16.4mill
 
#3,784 ·
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Great news to have Kagawa finally back, was hoping he would maybe take a wide spot off Valencia or Young due to them being shite, but he will probably take Rooney's spot now.
 
#3,790 ·
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Walters' 2nd goal against Liverpool has to be one of the best of the League season.
 
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