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post #6931 of 8644 (permalink) Old 03-10-2013, 11:01 AM
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I really don't see what's so bad about thinking LeBron with 3 rings, 3 Finals MVP and one or two MVP's can be argued to have a superior career than Kobe. At that point all Kobe would really have over him is longevity and two more rings.

I would also take peak LeBron over peak Kobe. Just my opinion. I'm not about to get into a Kobe/LeBron argument.

But here's a better way to end the argument. RUSSELL > Both.
I wouldn't say superior career IF Lebron does that might have be 4 rings but better overall sure. I truly believe peak Kobe was just better player than peak Lebron was. It really comes down to what do you prefer. If I am starting team with great talent around me with any of these positions such as dominate center, SF, PF, and PG I'll take Kobe. Likewise, if have little to no talent with a team filled with below average players I'll take Lebron.

Kobe better in these areas:
Shooting
Scoring
Clutch
Longevity
Footwork
Skilled superior basketball skills like MJ, Bird, and Magic were.
Higher basketball IQ
Better winner
Handles (ball handling)
On the ball defender.
Post up game, midrange, and 3 point shooting.
Free throw shooting


Lebron better in these areas:
Passing
Assist
Rebounding
Blocking shoots
Superior Athlete
More versatile on D and O. Can play more positions on Defense and Offense.
Unstoppable driving to the lane.
Higher FG%
Makes his teammates around him player better.



This is my view on it.


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Magic just said Kobe's been the MVP since all-star break.

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Magic is a homer.

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Yeah but he does have good point if you look at the numbers: Since the All-Star break he's been averaging 34/6/7 on 54 FG%.

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I'm not denying that Kobe has had great numbers. But he plays for a team tied for 8th place. How the hell can you be MVP on a fringe playoff team?

And despite his great numbers since the All-Star break, he hasn't had a better season than LeBron.

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I'm not denying that Kobe has had great numbers. But he plays for a team tied for 8th place. How the hell can you be MVP on a fringe playoff team?

And despite his great numbers since the All-Star break, he hasn't had a better season than LeBron.
Not that I think Kobe will win it, but a player's value to his team is relative. Can you remind me what the Lakers record in '76 was when Kareem won MVP?

McAdoo: '75 Braves (49-33) .597
Malone: '79 Rockets (47-35) .573
Malone: '82 Rockets (46-36) .560
Kareem: '76 Lakers (40-42) .487
Pettit: '56 Hawks (33-39) .458

MVP not always about who's best player in NBA each and year sometimes it's best Most Valuable Player to their teams. I personally think LBJ has way better cast of players around him than Kobe does. Especially talent and coaching wise. Remember Magic said since All-Star BREAK not the entire season.


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LeBron's 5 best players after him are Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Mario Chalmers & Udonis Haslem
Kobe's 5 best players after him are Dwight, Pau, Nash, Metta & Clark.

It's not like there's a vast talent difference.

LeBron has been better than Kobe this entire season. Are we forgetting the fact that he's putting up great numbers while leading his team on a 17 game winning streak right now?

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LeBron's 5 best players after him are Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Mario Chalmers & Udonis Haslem
Kobe's 5 best players after him are Dwight, Pau, Nash, Metta & Clark.

It's not like there's a vast talent difference.

LeBron has been better than Kobe this entire season. Are we forgetting the fact that he's putting up great numbers while leading his team on a 17 game winning streak right now?
Again those names look great on paper but that's not really the case at all. Wade and Bosh >>> Gasol and Howard. Wade and Bosh are munch closer to their prime than Gasol and Howard are. You have be crazy to think otherwise. Lakers switched HC during the season. That hurts on offense and offense systems. Chemistry been huge deal this season with all injuries Howard, Nash, Gasol, Hill, and Earl Clak. With missing bunch of games while others being out entire season. Not making excuses just saying. Heat have better bench too, it's not even that close. Yeah it's great winning streak no doubt but Clippers won 17 games in a row this season and wasn't huge deal either. Unlike Heat get bunch of love on ESPN and major sports networks about it.


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The Clippers got a lot of attention for their winning streak. Of course they didn't get as much as the Heat or if it were the Lakers but they still got plenty of press for it.

And if you go by the standard of who's valuable to their team and who isn't, LeBron is very damn valuable to the Heat. Believe it or not, those guys depend on LeBron a lot.

Also are you implying that Dwight Howard is out of his prime?

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The Clippers got a lot of attention for their winning streak. Of course they didn't get as much as the Heat or if it were the Lakers but they still got plenty of press for it.

And if you go by the standard of who's valuable to their team and who isn't, LeBron is very damn valuable to the Heat. Believe it or not, those guys depend on LeBron a lot.

Also are you implying that Dwight Howard is out of his prime?
Meh not really munch I heard on ESPN about Clippers win streak.

Lol compared to his Orlando days? Hell yeah. Is that serious question.

Big's (centers) start to decline athletically after back surgery. Especially any major surgery for that matter.

Dwight Howard numbers: 16.2 PPG, 12.2 RPG, FT% 48. Those are some of his all time low's for his entire career. Also below his career averages. Funny stat just showed on ABC. Steve Nash 6.8 APG(Lowest since 1999-00) season.


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