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post #5681 of 8644 (permalink) Old 02-14-2013, 11:39 PM
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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

"two good years"


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post #5682 of 8644 (permalink) Old 02-14-2013, 11:40 PM
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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

It is. It is a huge damn accomplishment to take a supporting cast that bad to the Finals, no matter how you try to spin it. Taking a team with his 2nd best player being Daniel Gibson to the Finals is a big accomplishment. The Pistons were an elite team and LeBron destroyed them.

To say it's a joke and laughable to think LeBron if he wins another MVP, another ring and another Finals MVP could surpass Kobe is just you being a homer. I fail to see how thinking LeBron surpassing him with 3 more MVP's than Kobe, the same amount of Finals MVPs but 3 less rings (Kobe won those 3 as a sidekick I might add, and one of them with him averaging 16 PPG on 37% shooting), I fail to see how that's just a joke.

You can bring up how LeBron played bad in his two Finals losses but let's compare LeBron's Finals losses to Kobe's.
LeBron 2007: 22.0 PPG on 36/20/69 shooting, 7.0 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.5 BPG
LeBron 2011: 17.8 PPG on 48/32/60 shooting, 7.2 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.5 BPG

Kobe 2004: 22.6 PPG on 38/17/92 shooting, 4.4 APG, 2.8 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 0.6 BPG
Kobe 2008: 25.7 PPG on 41/32/80 shooting, 5.0 APG, 4.7 RPG, 2.7 SPG, 0.2 BPG

Looks to me like Kobe was playing just as bad as LeBron in those losses, except Kobe shot more of course leading to more points.

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post #5683 of 8644 (permalink) Old 02-14-2013, 11:46 PM
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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

Okay Notorious. I still find it a joke and laughable to say Lebron will surpass Kobe because that means he's surpassing a lot of other players imo that he hasn't surpassed.

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I said great and meant in the playoffs wise.


edit: I didn't say great. I was wrong, but I should have said great. oh well.



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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

I don't think LeBron & Kobe are that far back as far as rankings goes, at least not in my opinion. IIRC I have Kobe at #10 and LeBron at #12 or 13.

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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

youre all time list changes pretty frequently, no? And I disagree with that ranking of course because I obviously have him high as I'm a homer. and lol because I can since I wouldn't take either Shaq or Duncan over him.



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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

Not really. Only 4-7 (Bird, Hakeem, Russell & Wilt) changes frequently. But the rest of my list is fine. Although I've only gone to 15 and am not going any farther.

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post #5687 of 8644 (permalink) Old 02-15-2013, 12:13 AM
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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

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Okay Notorious. I still find it a joke and laughable to say Lebron will surpass Kobe because that means he's surpassing a lot of other players imo that he hasn't surpassed.



I said great and meant in the playoffs wise.


edit: I didn't say great. I was wrong, but I should have said great. oh well.
Always just a bunch of conjecture out of you.


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Always just a bunch of conjecture out of you.
and what exactly do you want me to do? post a bunch of stats that mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things as all those Cleveland years ended the same way? Yes his teammates let him down in the playoffs, but he had his own share of letdowns as well that won't shown in his stats. He always had the ball in his hands in Cleveland, so it's hard to argue against his stats offensive stats, but for a guy that is always praised for making his teammates so much better he sure did fail at doing that in the playoffs. People always point at his supporting case and claim the lack of stars on it, but that's because it was built that way on purpose. The Cavs were built around Lebron's strengths and weaknesses, so they would go as far as he would take them because that's how they were designed. So as much as you try to blame the supporting cast for failing him, they were only going to do as good as Lebron made them and management clearly thought he could take them to the Finals. I always chuckle when people say the supporting cast was awful because last time I checked average teams don't win 60+ games in back to back seasons.



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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

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Re: D-GOD or D-DEVIL? #BAHGAWD #COUNTONKOBE

magic, at the end of the day it comes down to what both bring to the table on both ends. lbj has always done more, and should rightfully be recognized as the better player when his career is said and done regardless of rings.

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